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Post by Bluefront on Apr 30, 2011 15:12:15 GMT -5
Got a leaky crank seal (either side) for your air-cooled GY6? You might want to try a (reportedly) higher quality seal from a Honda engine. The big problem here.....you can't just walk in a Honda dealer and ask for one. They'll no doubt show little/no interest whatever in helping you out (nice guys). Well they do have a paper catalog that lists these sorts of parts by the size, rather than by what model it fits. That's how I found these two seals, after visiting three Honda places. The stock seal is 19.8x30x5mm......this is from an old Tank 150 engine (I'm hoping it'll be the same as my Xingyue, which has a minor seal leak). The Honda seal we found is 19.8x30x7mm.... 2mm wider. I measured the machined hole where this seal will sit....looks to have enough extra clearance. Just be sure when you install this wider seal, it only goes in till the outer edge is no deeper than the edge of the hole (the same as the OEM seal). If you push the seal in too far, it'll hit the cam chain. These seals had to be ordered (new seal on the right, already greased) I bought two seals in case one gets screwed up...it happens.....took two days, cost $3 ea. Oh...in case anybody bad-mouths your Chinese scoot about "Chinese quality", you might want to show them the package for this "high quality" Genuine Honda part. ;D Be sure to check the markings on your own seal before ordering anything.....the size is right on the edge. I haven't installed this seal yet.....waiting for a few rainy days.
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Post by Bluefront on May 30, 2011 5:22:52 GMT -5
Update.....I've had the Honda seal installed on my Xingyue for about 300 miles now. My slight leak problem is fixed. Not a single drop of oil has appeared on the garage floor (where I park every night), since the replacement. FWIW.....My GY6B engine uses the same seal size as the normal GY6 junk engine I took apart. So.....if you buy the seal kit from Scrappy, you'll get two standard OEM seals that should fit whatever 150cc Chinese scoot you have. As to whether this Honda seal is better than the standard Chinese seal.....time will tell. So far, so good. ;D Correctly installed Honda seal in a GY6B engine....
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Post by mainepeace on May 30, 2011 21:38:56 GMT -5
Have any idea if that's the same size seal for a 50cc?
Greg
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Post by Bluefront on May 31, 2011 4:21:31 GMT -5
Nope....sorry. Never had to replace a seal in my 50cc GY6. The 150cc seal kit from Scrappy cost $15. He's probably got a seal kit for the 50s....
FWIW.....The Scrappy seal kit I got for my 150 (which I didn't use) came with the correct crank seals. But the seals in this standard GY6 kit were not right for the transmission of my GY6B. The GY6B has a bigger shaft back there....
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Post by TERRA NUVO on Jun 13, 2011 11:31:50 GMT -5
blue
!. what is involved with changing out that seal, and -and
2. is there any preventive maintenance someone can do to prevent it.
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Post by Bluefront on Jun 13, 2011 15:52:17 GMT -5
On the 150s, after you remove the variator, you'll have to remove the kick-starter gear. Then the seal will just pry out. On the scrap 150GY6 engine I have........that gear needed some heavy puller setup to get it off. But when I did the seal job on my Xingyue, the gear came off easy.....didn't need any pullers. Go figure.... I've heard some people claim that synthetic oils have a tendency to leak past these seals.....more so than dino oil. Don't know about that. Mobil I has an additive designed to prevent seal leaks.....didn't work in my case. Excessive crankcase pressure has also been blamed for crank-seal leaks. That didn't help me either....I've got a Scrappy oil catch-can on there....which adds an extra crank-case vent hose. Preventing seal leaks? Don't overfill the engine oil.....use an additive in the oil designed to stop leaks. Keep your fingers crossed....
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Post by TERRA NUVO on Jun 13, 2011 22:25:28 GMT -5
many early snyth oils where a disaster for anything but a new car. old machine, put it in, lower temp and leaks, i wasted a big lawn mower once, spent an hour cleaning it up and pulling the snyth. I put a large drop of snyth oil on a 2x2 table top, 2 days later it had spread 60 percent across that table, a week later it had thinned across the whole top. Snyth oils ability to WICK is profound. but any weak anything and it will reveal the weakness. there is a down side to the upside that it penetrates and adheres to everything. There is some hint also that it is harder on rubber but the jury seems out still. The best way to over come all this is to use the snyth blends. which you may notice stings your cuts less. All in MHO. Attachments:
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