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Post by kz1000st on May 24, 2009 18:47:54 GMT -5
But who's to say what a better scooter is at this point? I can say a BMW is a better motorcycle than a Harley because a BM will last 100,000 miles (or many more) before it needs a rebuild, a Harley maybe 40,000. But what is the difference between an Eagle and a Flyscooter if they're both ridden within their limits and cared for equally? (and don't take a shot at my valve springs, I didn't stay within the Bashan's limits) Is it really worth the difference? Answer me this. A bunch of you B & M guys are now hawking Redstreak Rave and Streakers. Is Flyscooter worth the extra bucks there?
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Post by Cookees on May 24, 2009 19:19:37 GMT -5
Well put...
I can't speak to Fly Scooters since I have never had the opportunity to see or ride one. That being said, I'm truly impressed with Fly's commitment to customer service and their marketing acumen.
Your point is well put... a scooter that is maintained and cared for will certainly reward its owner. It has been my experience that there are indeed many different scooter buyers. Many who are willing to do their own wrenching, are able to cope with the little problems that arise from time to time. And the fact that there are forums like ScootDawg are a blessing.
However I'm seeing people in my showroom who have little mechanical inclinations and really want to purchase a scooter that gives them the satisfaction of knowing that if something does arise...that someone will be there to correct the problem.
And most importantly, they are willing to spend more for that peace of mind.
I realize that we can't be all things to all people. I can't compete with a drop shipper who is content to make a $200 profit.
We have always tried to offer a "price" scooter to those people who are so inclined. We talk about the difference between a one year parts only warranty versus a two year parts and labor warranty.
We have been lucky in that we have been able to profit from both sides of the issue. We have been able to offer a higher quality, and yes, higher priced lineup of scooters along with their "bumper-to-bumper" warranty while also profiting from the the repair of Internet, flea market, and swap meet scooters.
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Post by hardd1 on May 25, 2009 12:05:43 GMT -5
So I see that Lance, Flyscooters, Motorino and TNG are all built by ZNEN....all 4 importers claim the have a consultant/insector present at the factory to observe quality control...do they share the inspector or do they employ seperate people?....also, which of the 4 is the better built scooter?
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Post by jdikov on May 26, 2009 9:27:05 GMT -5
We do not share our inspector with any other company that I am aware of. I am also not aware of any other distributor having somebody there during production of their scooters and doing random test rides as they come off the line. Yes I think there is value added in companies like Fly and ourselves. When you know you have a bumper to bumper 1 year warranty and the company actually has parts to take care of their dealers it makes a difference.
We have been on the dealer end for many years and were constantly frustrated with companies like Roketa, SunL, Tank. We had customers get bikes with smashed carbs, missing parts damaged body panels that were obviously damaged at the factory and packed up anyway. Then when we needed parts it was hit or miss about 50% of the time they did not have them and then you had to fight for every warranty part that you needed. During that time the only company we had any faith in was Strada. Their scooters were superior in quality, had a longer warranty and they almost always had the parts you needed. Did we pay more for their product? You bet, 50cc scooters caost us $300-$500 more per scooter but we bought them anyway and most of our customers were willing to pay more for the better scooter and support. (not all of them) So based on how we felt as dealers we decided that as distributors we would model ourselves after the higher quality and better supported product line and distinguish ourselves from the high volume, low price, low quality distributors.
Has it been easy? No we have a lot of years of dealers getting screwed with the cheap scooters and now they lump all Chinese scooters into one bunch and many refuse to buy them again. It will take many years to overcome that image and we will have to make sure that our support is top notch but eventually I think people will start to see the difference.
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Post by "Big Guy" on May 26, 2009 10:36:52 GMT -5
Well as some of you know, I have been here at the pound long before I became a dealer. Becoming a dealer was a fluke, or more like a dare from another local dealer, since I always helped people on a budget get cheap scooters and then helped them do the PDI in my hobby shop. With that said, I took almost a year and a half finding the right quality scooters at reasonable prices with a good warranty and parts availability. I settled on Flyscooters, and later added Redstreak, and then finally TNG. So, what are the differences? These three companies as well as Lance are all from the Znen factory, one of the best in China for QC. Znen offers five different builds at five different prices; it's all up to the buyer. Fly, Redstreak, TNG and Lance all buy one of the top builds. Fly buys the best and adds personality to it. What you expect to find from these companies are, quality fuel and vacuum lines, bearings, seals, rings, light bulbs, paint, fans, shocks, tires, wiring harnesses, etc. Not to mention high grade steel. The steel is important, since it goes into things like bolts and axles. The real test of a product is a wreck, and how long it takes to get back on the road. We have had a few... Usually, we get our customers back on the road within 10 days. This is important! Conversely, we have a Tank with a bad motor (7 miles on the speedo) in the shop right now that's been there for 4 months! It was delivered to the customer this way... Imagine that! With all this said, there are three things to consider: 1) Do you want to do all of your own diagnosis and work? 2) Do you mind fighting with the drop shipper, sending parts back and waiting for new ones? 3) Do you want to start out with inferior parts, some of which compromise safety? It's up to you. Your best bet is to find a reputable dealer with a good build and good service and support and pay the extra $400 - $500. You truly do get what you pay for! As an example, we sell the Tmax clone - the Red Streak Rave for $1999. You can buy a similar one for $1499 online. Ours comes with ASE certifies lines, quality tires and steel parts, better shocks, paint, lights, etc, roadside assistance and a full fender to fender warranty - we exclude NOTHING but the tires and customer damage, no long lists of "consumables". Finally... yes I know I can be long winded at times ;D, I personally love the tinkering! I'll take any scooter, regardless of where it came from and have fun with it. If you're like me and love to work on them, get whatever you want and have fun with it. Just don't plan any long rides with the cheap builds  -Rich |
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Post by tortoise on May 26, 2009 13:09:12 GMT -5
I am also not aware of any other distributor having somebody there during production of their scooters and doing random test rides as they come off the line. Evosales . . Our trip to China |
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Post by jdikov on May 26, 2009 13:22:21 GMT -5
I was not aware that you were using Znen also, I stand corrected, sorry.
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Post by tortoise on May 26, 2009 14:57:48 GMT -5
I was not aware that you were using Znen also No affiliation . . just posting an informational link. The ID plate image in the Evosales gallery says Chuanl.  |
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Post by thebestprices on Jun 1, 2009 23:48:34 GMT -5
Hi my nam justin and i own J&J Scooters in P.A. you can look us up on the wildfiremotors under dealer locater. I can sell you 2 wfh150-s (sports model) for $2,350. just thought i would let you know
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