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Post by razzmahtazz on May 18, 2012 20:13:42 GMT -5
I own a 2006 Daelim S2 250, and quite suddenly it stopped accelerating. The scooter starts up, but won't accelerate if I fully open the throttle.
If I turn the throttle veeerrry slowly, it will accelerate to about 1-2 mph, but if I turn it any more than that, it won't move any further. The engine just revs, and I can hear a clanking noise.
At first I thought this could be a belt issue, but it wasn't. The belt was fine, and I even put another one (spare) on just incase. It stopped accelerating right in the middle of riding. I came down a hill, to a stop, and when I tried to pull out to cross the street, I didn't move except a few inches into the road (dangerous!).
Just looking for some suggestions as to what it could be. There is a small motorcyle repair shop who sounded less than enthused about working on the scoot, but seemed quite happy to inform me of a $200 diagnostic fee. I'd hate to dish out $200 bucks and that's not even for them to fix anything.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Post by cooch1000 on May 18, 2012 21:38:45 GMT -5
When you explored the belt, did you look at the variator or clutch assembly to see if they were intact? Weights etc? If something is clanking and it happened suddenly under load, perhaps something else in the CVT gave...
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Post by scooteritch on May 18, 2012 21:40:18 GMT -5
razzmahtazz - I have googled your issue just to see what came up and it seems that your scooter is equiped with a throttle position sensor that seems to go bad often on your model. I know in a car the TPS is usually associated to the cruise control. I'm not quite sure how the TPS is used on your scooter. My suggestion is to google your issue and dig a bit more before you hand your bike over to shop that basically wants your money. Maybe some else in the dawg pound knows of this issue or even had a personal experience with this.
Welcome to the forum and hang tight. I'm sure help will be arriving soon!
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Post by skuttadawg on May 19, 2012 0:31:00 GMT -5
Did any of the variator weights come out ? I see your a female some shady places tend to rip of women so get a guy to go with you and say its his and they might be less likely to do you dirty . I say this because a lady I do work for has a Volvo and I worked on it some but it still was not right so I told her lets go to a Volvo certified shop . The guy walked past her and only spoke to me knowing it was her car not mine .
200 just to look at it is way too much . Find another shop or get a Hayes or Chilton repair manual
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 20, 2012 8:44:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies all. Cooch - To be honest, the extent of my expertise stops at the belt and the weights. I learned how to change the belt in case of emergency, and I've changed the weights out a few times to achieve top speed But that's about all. I wouldn't know how to spot what could be wrong with the variator, or the clutch. Scooteritch - I've googled like a fiend. Unfortunately it seems that not many people have Daelims, and even less want to work on them. Skuttadawg - The weights are tip top. They are actually brand new too. My old ones were getting worn and had flat spots and I changed them out. And yes, the one drawback to being a female.. shady service shops. This place is the ONLY place in my area that will touch bikes, and they seemed like they were just itching to screw with me. I purchased a service manual online for my make and model, and it is super detailed, I even offered it up to them if it'd help if they were unfamiliar with the bike. Didn't help. They didn't want to hear it. I managed to take a video - it's not as good as I'd hope to have it. Everytime I uploaded it, the sound was gone. And my friend is on the bike and had no idea what she was doing lol. I'll try and take a better video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEfRx3LwZk
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Post by gatekeeper on May 20, 2012 10:31:35 GMT -5
From your video it looks like your variator is functioning and pushing the belt out. My initial guess would be the clutch pads/shoes inside the bell, maybe broken or broken springs not allowing enough force to be applied to the bell as you accelerate the engine.
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Post by tastroman on May 20, 2012 16:30:50 GMT -5
Your s-2 250 has a KYMCO engine and drive train. Any KYMCO dealer should be able to help you out.
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Post by wile on May 20, 2012 17:00:39 GMT -5
Yes, it looks like the CLUTCH is the Problem not grabbing the BELL which when turning turns the wheel. So if you can take the Clutch off Just like you did with the Variator and check the PADS and SPRINGs on the clutch. The Pads could be worn down or broken springs causeing the pads to bind and not be thrown out. Then take a picture of the Clutch. Here is what you will be looking at, if its bad just order a new Clutch and your on your way. Wile
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Post by chromestarhustler on May 20, 2012 17:02:32 GMT -5
has the clutch every been sanded/ serviced ?
cause that clutch is glazed or wasted.
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Post by wile on May 20, 2012 17:42:39 GMT -5
Its more than glazed I can tell you that, glazed it would just need more rpms for it to grab. That clutch is toast. Wile
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Post by chromestarhustler on May 20, 2012 20:29:35 GMT -5
you can glazed them enough where there is plenty of meat left on the clutch face but wont catch.
he would have to have 15000 miles on that thing for the clutch to be gone
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Post by wile on May 20, 2012 21:04:01 GMT -5
Nope, You can glaze them and as long as the rpms are good it will still move the sucker faster than a couple miles per hour. I am saying something is not working right on that Clutch. Either the Swing arms are getting stuck and not able to be thrown out or spring or two are broke or the part where the Spring hooks up to broke off etc. The only way ANY OF US will know is when the Clutch is taken off so we can guess all we want but until that clutch comes off and is checked we are in the Dark as they say. Wile
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 21, 2012 16:40:07 GMT -5
Awesome.. thanks for the replies.
Tastroman - Unfortunately the closest Kymco dealer is 2 hours away. I'd take the haul, but I don't have a truck to get it there.
Wile - I pulled the clutch off, but I don't have an attachment for my impact wrench to get that flat nut off. I'm going to hit up the hardware store and see about getting a strap wrench and I should be able to use my pipe wrench. (Hopefully anyway...)
I'll check out the springs and snap a few pics.
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Post by meatheadegt on May 21, 2012 16:51:09 GMT -5
when u say wont accelerat do u mean rpms go up and scooter doesnt move or its falling flat only asking because of carb was mentioned
never mind just got video to load
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Post by wile on May 21, 2012 16:52:05 GMT -5
You do not need an IMPACT WRENCH i take mine off with a Big Adjustable wrench my hands and KNEE Here is how you do it: Put it on the floor, Put your knee on one side and your other hand right across from your knee and LEAN and push down. Then with your other hand loosen the NUT and take it off and EASE up because it has the spring on it and WHOLA. To put it back sameo sameo. Wile
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 21, 2012 17:01:47 GMT -5
RPMs go up and scooter doesn't move. It doesn't stall or anything. If I turn the throttle a little bit, it will move slowly, then if I continue to turn the throttle the engine revs and it won't accelerate any more.
I'll give it a go without the strap wrench with the method you suggested.
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Post by tastroman on May 21, 2012 20:41:49 GMT -5
How many miles are on your scooter?
And Hello from a fellow Daelim rider.
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 22, 2012 16:30:17 GMT -5
Tastroman - Quite a few! About 13000. I picked it up for 300 bucks last year and rode it all season. It rode great. Then right at the end of the riding season, boom, something broke and.. no more riding! I'm pretty eager to get it fixed. I opened up the clutch assembly and took a few pictures. I'm not sure how to approach getting the plate off the clutch, but everything inside seems pretty rusted. The springs inside seem intact though. Time to order an entire new clutch assembly? Here is a link to the album on photobucket where I uploaded the pics: s1119.photobucket.com/albums/k638/Bananafannah/
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Post by tastroman on May 22, 2012 18:24:49 GMT -5
$300, you got a bargain. The clutch assembly from a KYMCO Grand Vista should fit. I've found the engine parts to be interchangeable minus the exhaust. If you ever need body parts there is an online shop based in Korea where you can get what ever you want. The owner speaks good English and will ship world wide. My S-2 just flipped 18,000 miles. The only trouble I've had out of it is a faulty CDI fixed under warranty and a malfunctioning secondary air filter. If your S-2 ever develops a backfire, check the secondary air filter 1st. Well, at least we know there a still 2 S-2's on the road here in the USA.
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 23, 2012 17:55:32 GMT -5
Thanks Tastroman, great info regarding the Grand Vista. I was driving myself crazy with google trying to find the correct part. I'd hate to take a hit like that for the wrong part.
Do you know the website for the online shop for body parts?
I hope once I fix it, it lasts until 18,000 and BEYOND. Thanks again.
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Post by wile on May 23, 2012 18:11:23 GMT -5
Yes, to get the plate off you see the "C" clips holding the 3 Studs, get a screwdriver and fit it in the Curve part of the "C" clip and twist the screwdriver to pull them out then you can take the Plate off. The Pads are badly worn so is the inside of the BELL. You can squirt a little bit of oil in where the Pads rotate on the STUDs and with a screw driver work the Pads in and out. That may get you going until you get a new Clutch assembley WORTH A SHOT. Just don't get oil on the pads and or BELL. You can also take a little sandpaper and go around inside the bell where the Pads grab it. Also a little grease on the SLEEVE that the pulley slides in and out of just a little on the SLITS it has that a PIN slides back and forth on. Like this: WIle
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Post by tastroman on May 23, 2012 20:32:49 GMT -5
Do you know the website for the online shop for body parts? hyosungsource.com/ The owners name is Mr Lee. Don't hesitate to shoot him an email and let him know what you need. If it's not on his site, he'll get it from the factory. I'd get your clutch from a US (KYMCO) parts distributor though as shipping from Korea will be expensive.
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Post by onilegion on May 24, 2012 2:27:44 GMT -5
Hi razzmahtazz, Looks like you are definitely going to need some new clutch parts. Looking at your photos you can see that: (1) The central mounting hole on the clutch drive plate is missing its "flats" ; the hole should NOT be round. The hole should have two opposing "flats" as shown in Wile's photo, below: These "flats" match up with the "flats" on the driven face shaft (the large threaded shaft) and keep the clutch drive plate from rotating relative to the shaft (see photo below). Note ALL your power transmission to the rear wheel goes through this single interface. (2) There has been extreme high pressure/rpm slippage at this joint. The friction-generated heat from this slippage appears to have actually melted the two metal surfaces at this interface. Note the massive heat discoloration surrounding the hole on the clutch drive plate in the photo below. Chances are high that any parts that were in contact with this hot region are ruined. You might be able to save the clutch shoes and clutch bell, but everything else should be thrown out, as either their metallurgical properties have been altered , they have been deformed, or they have suffered pyrolysis (bumpers, seals, grease). Our recommendation would be to replace the entire clutch/driven pulley assembly as a unit, otherwise you will just be experiencing more problems down the road. Hope this helps, onilegion <><
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Post by razzmahtazz on May 24, 2012 15:47:06 GMT -5
Onilegion,
Thank you very much for the reply, it is greatly appreciated. I am going to order a new clutch assembly as soon as I can. I have been searching websites and have found many with (as someone else suggested) a Kymco Grandvista 250 clutch, since it should fit.
Thanks everyone.
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