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Post by coolbanana on Dec 3, 2008 17:09:08 GMT -5
Just saw the new 400-b efi scooter by linhai on the scootertronics web site. They have it priced at $5999 which I think will be a strech scince the price of a burgman 400 is $5949 and is also efi. I was taken back by the price when I saw it. A chineese scooter priced higher than a sisuki. I think thier asperations are gonna out weigh their sales. Whats the opinions of the rest of you dawgs?
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Post by scootzilla on Dec 3, 2008 17:22:22 GMT -5
Well since the Linhai has just been released and the suzuki has been around awhile. If I needed a 400 cc scoot TODAY it will be the suzuki. Parts and service may be easier on a suzuki as well. If I didn't need a 400cc scoot right away, I will try to get as much info on the Linhai before any decisions is made. Comfort will also play a big role in the decision. With the gas prices going waay down and world's economy is hurting, it may be awhile before we see anything "new being manufactured".
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Post by harrywr2 on Dec 3, 2008 18:18:55 GMT -5
I think some states require an item to be offered for sale at 'regular' price before it can be offered for an 'on sale' price.
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Post by haakon59 on Dec 3, 2008 18:30:26 GMT -5
The pricing would seem a bit odd given that their other models are well under other "mainstream" scooter brands, so I would have to guess that Harrywr is likely correct and that we will see the price reduced soon. Even so, I would much rather have the Suzuki.
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Post by allworld on Dec 3, 2008 19:11:14 GMT -5
Well you can't really see much with the one picture and $5999.00 and a 2009 Majesty msrp of $6099.00 for $100.00 I think the Majesty is a better choice. Now if it was $4099.00 then I would defiantly have a real close look, and would most likely bring my check book. I think it is a better choice over the QLink Splendor, 400cc since that is not EFI and the Linhia is. The Qlink cost a little over 4.5K so if Linhai wants to claim King of the CCS market then it has to be priced less.
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Post by jim63 on Dec 3, 2008 19:30:47 GMT -5
I went to look at Scootertronics site out of curiousity. Noticed it is only advertised at 22HP. My SYM 250 has a hair over 20HP. Maybe mistaken but the Suzuki and Yamaha 400's are well into the 30's almost 40hp if not mistaken. I am thinking or hoping this a mistake on the manufacturer's part of the specs, a 400cc scooter for almost 6 grand with a puny 22 hp to me is a waste. HP isnt everything but that seems really low for that displacement with EFI.
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Post by bobpt on Dec 3, 2008 20:21:04 GMT -5
Not to mention only a 13 inch front wheel and a 12 inch rear.
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Post by Gary on Dec 3, 2008 20:28:52 GMT -5
Gotta agree with the others - the pricing seems nutty. At $6K, why go with the Linhai when you can go with a proven high quality Suzuki? If the price was in the $4K to $4.5K range, there would be something to think about; otherwise, its a no brainer.
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Post by allworld on Dec 3, 2008 20:35:40 GMT -5
Well my 2006 Linhai sat in a warehouse for 2 years because they couldn't sell them in 2006 for their asking price, maybe these scooters will have the same fate, so in 2011 we will all be getting a really good deal. My scooter is running so well that there isn't any justification for me to buy a new one, till 2011 anyway.
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Post by scooterollie on Dec 3, 2008 21:40:39 GMT -5
From the write up and specs on Scootertronic's website, the 400 does not seem like much more than a 300 with restyled body, slightly more displacement as well as the fuel injection. Keeping the 12" rear wheel and a slight bump in front wheel size to 13" is a real surprise and disappointment. I expected something like 14" for the wheels. Wheelbase is listed the same as the 260/300 causing me to suspect the frame is basically the same. The HP rating given is suspect as the 275 cc version has been variously listed as 18-22 HP. Also, the compression ratio is even lower than the 275 cc engine. Suspicious!
I was told this scooter wouldn't see daylight until the show at the earliest, with release later in the Spring/Summer. I hope this thing is more than what we see here! The price is truly ridiculous - at least $1-1.5K more than it should be. Wouldn't mind having the engine and it's electronics in my 300 but if the rest of the bike as is described, forget it. If this scooter has been designed for the Euro. and U.S. market, IMHO, they missed the boat. They must think the Japanese competition is going to double their prices for their 400 cc class bikes. My $2,600 '06 Linhai 300 is looking even better than it did last Spring when the price for the '08s was bumped up to around $3,500!!
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Post by harrywr2 on Dec 3, 2008 22:25:39 GMT -5
They must think the Japanese competition is going to double their prices for their 400 cc class bikes. Are Suzuki/Yamaha going to actually ship 400cc offerings? I've been to 3 Suzuki dealers with 70 Ben Franklins in my hand and couldn't get a straight answer.
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Post by Dean on Dec 4, 2008 2:29:55 GMT -5
Only a whacko would buy that over one of the 400cc Japanese models
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Post by cstephen on Dec 4, 2008 5:06:37 GMT -5
The price is a disappointment for sure....they will never sell them. Allworld is right, remember the '06 model 300's? Couldn't sell 'em, and we got them two years later for a song. In fact, he and I got some of the last '06 models left lying in the warehouse, this past summer.
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Post by ifly1956 on Dec 4, 2008 7:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by cstephen on Dec 4, 2008 7:23:28 GMT -5
I would buy a Kymco before I'd buy a Linhai 400 at that price. I'd also take a STRONG look at the Hyosung / UM XSpeed too. Cheaper price, and probably more powerful too.
At that price, the Linhai 400 is $3300 MORE than I paid for my '06 300. I'd have to take a long and HARD look at it, but the figures tell me right now that less than 100CC difference (350CC VS 275CC) is NOT worth an additional $3300.
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Post by cycleway4 on Dec 4, 2008 7:33:17 GMT -5
agreed.....way over-priced. until the chinese can offer parts support COMPARABLE to the japanese [in other words, anything you need,...even next-day air if necessary] they are only worth 50% at best. I'm still waiting for parts from goldenvale and evo ordered in july.
I work at a Honda Car dealer,...we can literally get almost any part # in the books next-day..we have gotten parts from Honda Motor Co. in Japan in less than 24 hrs.......thats service!!
Steve
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Post by coolbanana on Dec 4, 2008 7:36:26 GMT -5
I sent an e-mail to sunright yesterday asking for a price on the 400-b efi linhai scooter. That was before I found the price on scootertronics. They asked me if I were a dealer, and I replyed back no but have a friend who is, and would get him to check. they replyed back that they could give me the information, but could not sell to me. But they did not include the price as I had requested. I was curious as to what they were selling it to dealers for and how much mark up the dealers were adding. Why would they think anyone would pay more for an online scooter, when you can buy name brand for about the same from b&m with warranty and available parts on hand? don't know what they were thinking....
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Post by cstephen on Dec 4, 2008 8:17:11 GMT -5
FYI, Sunright (The Importer of Linhai) sells directly to the public, and I have had parts from them in 2-3 days. My CDI, My Coil, and my chrome exhaust shield each arrived 2-3 days after I placed the order. They are very good about getting parts and shipping them out in a timely manner. I would think that they would be able to get parts for the 400, but it's still waaaay overpriced at the price scootertronics.com has it listed at. I'm not looking for another scooter right now, but the Hyosung is looking better and better. agreed.....way over-priced. until the chinese can offer parts support COMPARABLE to the japanese [in other words, anything you need,...even next-day air if necessary] they are only worth 50% at best. I'm still waiting for parts from goldenvale and evo ordered in july. Steve
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Post by scooterollie on Dec 4, 2008 8:39:53 GMT -5
Sunright is not selling scooters to the public, only parts. This is because they do not have a strong enough dealer network established so they are supporting their brand with parts and warranty service so as to provide better service to the buyers when a dealer is not available in the buyer's area. Don't know of another Chinese scoot importer doing that!!
There is a lot of speculation in this thread about the 400. I think we need to back off, wait and see what develops before we crucify Sunright and Linhai. After all, it is not Linhai that is setting the price we see on Scootertronics website. Sunright has been working with Linhai for many months developing the specs on a 400 cc class scooter for our market. They will find out what the market will bear soon enough!
BTW, during the past year, Sunright has also been working with Linhai to improve all of their products sold in the U.S.
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Post by Gary on Dec 4, 2008 8:53:27 GMT -5
One further question for us potential CA buyers is whether or not the scoot will be CARB certified. If I'm not mistaken none of the Linhai scoots currently carry CARB which rules them out for CA. This is a shame as they are very nice scoots.
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Post by allworld on Dec 4, 2008 9:01:46 GMT -5
I don't have any problem with Sunright International or Linhai scooters, Sunright has been a real stand up company. The scooter on Scooter Tronics web site with its list of specs and price falls way short of what I would have expected from Linhia. When they do officially offer their 2009 Line up then we will know more, till then .............. a wait and see approach seems wise.
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Post by scootermike on Dec 4, 2008 9:20:56 GMT -5
Linhai/Sunright has not even mentioned price. I put that scooter on my site scootertronics this week. The scooter is on the site because I sell Linhai products at Scootertronics which is a brick and mortor store in MD with an online store also. We also sell stock parts and high performance parts for Linhai scooters as well as repair them and prep every single scooter we sell no matter where customer is located and its hard work and over looked by all other online sites selling the same products. They simply ship a box from a warehouse.
As far as the price I am not sure what we will sell it for because I do not know how much it will cost. I took it off since everyone had so much problem with the price. I just did not want to low ball it. I have not even seen the scooter and hope to in Feb. and I am sure it will be a thousand more than the 300 which puts it at 4399 at this point if you need a figure but do not hold me to that.
The Linhai 400 has not been released. Price has not been mentioned. One picture thats it. Specs, you know how hard it is to get these correct for any low cost scooter.
scootermike
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Post by harrywr2 on Dec 4, 2008 9:36:23 GMT -5
Thanks scootermike for clearing up the confusion.
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Post by Dean on Dec 4, 2008 9:40:13 GMT -5
I wish I knew what it takes to get an inch of respect it seems no matter what scootertronics does its wrong to memebers at scootdawg. But I guess I should be grateful I even get mentioned at all. Hmmm....If I were to purchase a chinese scooter online your place would be on the short list due to what I have read on this forum. You're just digging yourself a hole now, but there is still time to recover!
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Post by Orson Reedy on Dec 4, 2008 16:20:51 GMT -5
I'm a little disappointed in that statement, since I've had an almost entirely positive experience with the purchase of my 300, and have gone somewhat out of my way to relate it. I believe when someone does something right, they should be recognized for it. The bellyaching is really off-putting, though.
In my business, if I don't have a price from a vendor on a product that is not yet shipping, then I don't quote a price to my customer. That is just common sense. I think it goes without saying that, as good as Linhai is in its class of scooter, anyone with $6K to spend would be foolish not to spend it on a Japanese or Taiwanese scoot.
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Post by torque on Dec 4, 2008 18:33:36 GMT -5
I think the term "trial balloon" may be in order here. Someone wanted to know if a 6k figure would "stick". I think they found out.
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Post by Gary on Dec 4, 2008 23:54:24 GMT -5
Yes, the trial ballon got shot down pretty quick.
If the price was in the say $4,300 range, the scoot would be very interesting to a lot of folks I'll bet.
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Post by scooterollie on Dec 5, 2008 8:12:23 GMT -5
I agree with the previous posts. Mike, you made a mistake listing the scoot that way when you didn't have any concrete info. Our negative comments were not directed towards Scootertronics. You get largely favorable reviews here on ScootDawg and, IMHO, try to satisfy your customers. For those of us who think highly of the Linhai line, your listing caused more confusion and consternation than clarification. Glad you removed it from your website until the facts are in. A price in the mid $4K range and a little more improvement on things like tire size would satisfy most of us critics!!
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Post by Gary on Dec 5, 2008 9:52:41 GMT -5
My impression from hanging around this site a while is that most of the ScootDawg folks are pretty intelligent and discerning individuals. All we generally ask of internet dealers is honesty and accuracy. I for one despise it when I see an add for a 250 cc scooter and the specs say "electric and kick start" - clearly just a cut and paste from a 150 cc ad (OK there are a few 250 cc scoots out there with kick starts, but not many). If I see something like that, I usually move on to the next dealer.
I for one am also a bit turned off by the rounding up of diplacement by some manufacturers. To call a 257cc scoot a 260 is OK, calling a 275 cc a 300 is a bit of a stretch, but calling a 352 cc scoot a 400 borders on dishionesty in my book. To Mike's credit, the Scootertronics add is very up front about the true displacemnt of the new Lihai. Cheers, Gary
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Post by ScootGuy on Dec 5, 2008 11:03:41 GMT -5
Sunright is not selling scooters to the public, only parts. This is because they do not have a strong enough dealer network established so they are supporting their brand with parts and warranty service so as to provide better service to the buyers when a dealer is not available in the buyer's area. Don't know of another Chinese scoot importer doing that!! Wildfire does that. www.wildfiremotors.com
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