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Post by Rockin Ran on Jul 27, 2008 10:05:30 GMT -5
My friend at the Harley shop changed my oil for me yesterday. I didn't notice till today that it appears he has replaced the drain bolt being it and the washer are all shiney and new looking. Was also a few drops of oil on the floor. Did not try to loosen or tighten yet. Can't check with him till Monday if he did this or even if the spring and screen are there unless I dump the oil again. Question 1 - If the screen and spring are not installed, will this hurt the engine? #2 - Where would I order a new bolt assembly if they are missing? #3 - Why do some friends seem to know how to fix anything when they don't lol? Thanks for any help! Ran
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Post by Rockin Ran on Jul 27, 2008 10:20:58 GMT -5
Here is a pic to help. Don't know the motor type yet.
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Post by glassvial on Jul 27, 2008 10:36:33 GMT -5
CF Moto motor. Parts are fairly common. Did you ask if he put the spring/screen back in? Probably won't do much damage without it in the short term, the screen isn't like a "real" oil filter, it's going going to catch larger pieces. Draining the initial oil gets rid of most of the initial junk.
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Post by Rockin Ran on Jul 27, 2008 10:40:37 GMT -5
Thanks Glass ... no ..didn't ask yesterday ... was distracted by the bikini bike wash ... lol. CFMoto eh ... now I guess I know what direction to take.
Thanks again! Ran
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Post by barry on Jul 27, 2008 17:03:35 GMT -5
Hi Guys, I have an MC-D54B (not) 250 and I don't have a spring or screen for my oil drain plug. Apparently I should, correct..?
barry
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Post by glassvial on Jul 27, 2008 19:34:52 GMT -5
Hi Guys, I have an MC-D54B (not) 250 and I don't have a spring or screen for my oil drain plug. Apparently I should, correct..? barry Did you drain from the side or the bottom? If I'm not mistaken the CF Moto motor has the side drain and the bottom drain, and the Linhai motor only has the bottom drain...but I got a wicked headache right now so what do I know?
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Post by WarrenS on Jul 27, 2008 19:52:17 GMT -5
They both have 2 drains. The CF Moto has the real drain on the bottom and the filter drain on the side, The other one has the regular drain on the side and the filter screen on the bottom.
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Post by glassvial on Jul 27, 2008 20:14:07 GMT -5
They both have 2 drains. The CF Moto has the real drain on the bottom and the filter drain on the side, The other one has the regular drain on the side and the filter screen on the bottom. Where's the side drain on the Linhai motor?
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Post by Highlander on Jul 27, 2008 21:48:18 GMT -5
Yea, wheres the drain on the side for the linhai?
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Post by WarrenS on Jul 28, 2008 10:57:12 GMT -5
I could be wrong as I was comparing it to my Morphous which it most closely resembles.
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Post by glassvial on Jul 28, 2008 11:07:10 GMT -5
I could be wrong as I was comparing it to my Morphous which it most closely resembles. Maybe The only drain on the Linhai 257cc that I know of is the one underneath, and that's the drain/screen/spring. The CF Moto has the one on the side and the one underneath. I think the single setup makes more sense to me (one less thing to break!) but hey what do I know
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Post by yarddogbbq on Jul 28, 2008 13:22:18 GMT -5
barry your screen is behind the side drain not the bottom if you hav a cfmoto engine that is.
the drain on the bottom (17mm) does not have a screen and you drain from the bottom, not the side.
once in a while you need to remove (ccw) the side oil screen access. pull the spring and screen out and check to see if it is clean. watch how screen comes out they had the spring backward on mine they had the loose end of spring over the screen not allowing a good seal inside the screen area.
put the screen over a finger put it in spring, should be snug put it back in engine. spring should be sitting on rubber ledge of screen making a contact all the way around.
yarddog
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Post by earlwb on Jul 28, 2008 13:45:29 GMT -5
The Linhai Clone engines have a single large drain plug on the bottom like this here: Wire mesh screen and spring How it looks ready to go back in after the oil has drained:
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Post by videoman on Aug 4, 2008 21:58:53 GMT -5
When I changed the oil while doing my PDI on my 250B Linhai, I found a brass colored washer in the drain pan, I imagine it came out with the oil, but I don't hink it belongs in there, anyone else see the same thing, I would hate to have to drain the oil again to put this washer back.
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Post by luckeydawg on Aug 4, 2008 22:21:54 GMT -5
Lemme throw ya'll a curve ball..... That xtra part come out on me...I think because I change the oil when it's HOT... but the brass washer is perplexing....
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Post by leo on Aug 5, 2008 11:08:29 GMT -5
i see the plug, screen, and spring, but that other piece??? that came out of the crankcase when you drained the oil???
further proof that a thorough PDI will save you much grief.
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Post by widehide on Aug 5, 2008 16:06:18 GMT -5
It might be a magnet, my 250B does ot have that extra part.
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Post by earlwb on Aug 5, 2008 17:13:01 GMT -5
beats me, my scooter doesn't have that either. Like widehide stated check to see if it is magnetic or not.
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Post by wildbill on Aug 5, 2008 22:51:54 GMT -5
hey earlwb,we were discussing a magnetized plug one day.I think I'll just magnetize my plug and eliminate that Hi-Tech screen.I'll let y'all know how it works on my linhai 257 and lance 150
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Post by yarddogbbq on Aug 5, 2008 23:49:47 GMT -5
that piece would be loose in there wouldnt it??? what would keep it from blocking the oil flow thru there oil flows toward the unknown piece doesnt it? . magnetic or not it is loose. i would not want anything crowding that area or slowing down oil flow. the fillter screen is enough of an obstacle to oil flow when cold. i would not put back in. yarddog
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Post by WarrenS on Aug 6, 2008 15:18:12 GMT -5
I was thinking it might be a spring guide and go in the center of the plug. I didn't want to suggest that because if it is too long it would hit the screen. You would have to measure and see if it would fit.
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Post by earlwb on Aug 10, 2008 19:39:06 GMT -5
OK this little cylindrical part that fell out on you is a insert to extend the oil pickup down lower to be about even with the bottom of the crankcase, so it can be assured of sucking up oil, even if the oil level is low for any reason. Not just letting the oil level get low, but in periods of around WOT, at high RPMs, the oil pump can suck up more oil than is draining back into the crankcase oil sump. Another reason one shouldn't go WOT for long periods of time. On my scooter the oil pickup extension appears to be a light press fit or interference fit into the top as shown in the picture. It didn't move or jiggle when I touched it with my finger. the large end goes in first with the smaller end extending down as shown.
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Post by glassvial on Aug 11, 2008 9:18:35 GMT -5
Well hopefully it can be pressed back in for the users that had it fall out! Good update, earl.
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Post by earlwb on Aug 11, 2008 10:05:00 GMT -5
If it is a little loose, one can use a center punch or a really narrow chisel point punch, and make a few stake pokes around the edge to tighten it up and to help hold it in. it is like staking a screw to prevent it from coming loose.
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