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Post by glassvial on Jun 16, 2008 11:41:49 GMT -5
Let me preface this post by saying I have nothing against the CFMoto/Honda 244cc motor, that's not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to document people getting the incorrect motor/incorrect scooter which they paid for when they ordered the "B" (which is supposed to have the Linhai/Yamaha 257cc motor) and where it came from. So far I've found the following people and where they ordered their scoot from:
steveo - planetpowertoys (thanks for all your great pics, your evidence is the best information so far, getting "B" stickers slapped on your bike and on the box!)
hanley111 - allnewsports
lcarfizz - allnewsports
hossbob - scooternitro
I've been in contact with some dealers and they have NO CLUE this is even happening! So far, sounds like most people haven't gotten THAT pissed about it, but it won't take long before their creditability is going to go in the toilet (and it's not even their fault). By all means, if you've ordered a B scooter recently and are concerned about what you might actually be getting (or have gotten), call your dealer and tell them to get in touch with Goldenvale, Inc. (aka Roketa) to find out what the heck is going on so we can get to the bottom of this. I've already got some calls in with some dealers that I'm still waiting on return calls for. Contacting Roketa directly will get you nowhere, unfortunately.
I know to most people this isn't a big deal, and some have chosen to keep what they've been given (as well as some cash refunded for the price difference), and that's fine, but honestly, it is the very definition of bait and switch and I think someone is trying to pull a fast one.
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Post by madmanjustice on Jun 16, 2008 12:44:19 GMT -5
interesting thread. I'm hoping to find out today if my B came in. If so i should be picking it up Wednesday.
IIRC, the only things on stevo's scoot that was not "B" were the seat and motor.
What about the others you listed?
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Post by rubicontx on Jun 16, 2008 13:50:50 GMT -5
I just ordered one on Saturday. Its advertised as a MC54250B model. I don't know yet when it will come in, but as soon as it does I will let you know what engine it has.
Thanks,
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Post by glassvial on Jun 16, 2008 16:22:02 GMT -5
interesting thread. I'm hoping to find out today if my B came in. If so i should be picking it up Wednesday. IIRC, the only things on stevo's scoot that was not "B" were the seat and motor. What about the others you listed? hanley111 and lcarfizz have both posted in the dealer good/bad forum (the thread title is obvious) but no pics that I saw. hossbob posted with a pic, shows MC-54-250, no B on the decals, but you can tell it's the Honda motor, but he stated he ordered the Machoman 260 from scooternitro, and that's supposed to be the 54B with the Linhai motor. You can do searches for all of these guys names and find their posts, and see what the deal is, no sense in copy/pasting what they've already posted elsewhere. |
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Post by hanley111 on Jun 17, 2008 1:11:05 GMT -5
I will post pic's as soon as I can learn how to do it. I am now in the middle of the PID so it would be a good time to take them. I am in no hurry to do it (PID) as the scoot is not inssured or registered yet.
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Post by rubicontx on Jun 17, 2008 14:33:44 GMT -5
Ok, got the tracking number. It should be here on Thursday. Will post some pictures when it arrives.
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Post by lcarfizz on Jun 17, 2008 19:52:55 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread glassvial great idea. FYI, I am officially PO'd and I have disputed the credit card charges on the purchase of the bike. Interestingly, allnewsports is now contacting ME. I will keep you posted.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 17, 2008 20:19:04 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread glassvial great idea. FYI, I am officially PO'd and I have disputed the credit card charges on the purchase of the bike. Interestingly, allnewsports is now contacting ME. I will keep you posted. Amazing how these dealers magically wake up once you start disputing your credit card charges, that seems to be a reoccurring theme around here. Let that be a lesson to you, don't pay these clowns (any of them) by debit card, check, wire, etc. Once they have your money, they could give a f' about you. If you pay by credit card and have the ability to dispute when they don't want to make something right, you've got a lot better leverage. Anyway, from what I've seen so far it appears (maybe?) that this problem is further "upstream" than just the dealers, but again, if the dealers aren't made aware that this is happening, then they won't make the upstream warehouses aware of it. Either that, or the upstream warehouse already is aware of it/doing it on purpose and could give a shiz. Either way, it's not right, and needs to be fixed. |
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Post by glassvial on Jun 17, 2008 21:29:41 GMT -5
latest victim:
slowhandatl - countyimports.com
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Post by bootscooter on Jun 18, 2008 4:40:48 GMT -5
Just received my last thursday from allnewsports, guess I got lucky. Its a B.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 18, 2008 8:31:45 GMT -5
Just received my last thursday from allnewsports, guess I got lucky. Its a B. Does it just have B decals on it (and the box) or does it really have the Linhai motor? |
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Post by hanley111 on Jun 19, 2008 2:04:47 GMT -5
Well I got my paper work today. It took about 10 days from allnewsports. PID all done and all I will need it to get lisense and register and away I go on the want to be MC54B that is not LOL.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 19, 2008 18:45:44 GMT -5
Latest victim: barry - powersportsmax
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I ordered my MC-D54B from "PowerSportsMax" and got the old D54 but with a MP3 player. Some seem to think the D54 they got from where ever they got it from instead of the D54B they wanted has the Yamaha-Linhai package. Sorry to say but you probably don't, maybe the front ABS brakes but not the tires or the windshield and it still has the Honda clone engine. The Yamaha-Linhai engine was why I ordered it in the first place and of course the better tires, muffler and windshield. I paid more for the 54B too so I feel ripped off, big time.
barry
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Can we see about getting this post stickied until we get to the bottom of this? It seems like these reports are starting to flood in now!
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Post by rubicontx on Jun 20, 2008 7:10:43 GMT -5
I got mine yesterday and it looks like it has the correct engine. Here are some pics:    |
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Post by allworld on Jun 20, 2008 7:39:40 GMT -5
Hello Glassvail:
This is a great thread, as consumers, we need to send a clear message to the dealers and importers.
I do not have a MC54-xxxxx but will support you in your efforts.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 20, 2008 9:19:05 GMT -5
I got mine yesterday and it looks like it has the correct engine. Here are some pics: Thanks for the post/pics, hard to tell from the camera angles but appears you got the right one, where did you order from? And (if not B&M) was it just a drop shipper or did the place actually have their own stock? |
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Post by glassvial on Jun 20, 2008 9:20:23 GMT -5
Hello Glassvail: This is a great thread, as consumers, we need to send a clear message to the dealers and importers. I do not have a MC54-xxxxx but will support you in your efforts. Thank you, appreciated. I was hoping this was a small, one-off problem, but as I saw more and more complaints/posts about it, I started to get concerned something was up...and I still don't have a straight answer yet, just guesses. |
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Post by afrorean on Jun 20, 2008 9:48:52 GMT -5
I ordered the same linhai yamaha mc 250b scooter from Planet Power Toys that Steveo did and had the same outcome. I told the owner Candice politely that this was not the motor that had been promised to me. Candice was very kind and apologetic and she gave me a refund of xxx amount of dollars. I told her that someone from Scootdawg had the same experience and right away she knew it was Steveo.
Although I did not get the model I paid for, Planet Power Toys was willing to resolve the issue. Thanks to Steveo I was able to stumble across this problem.
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Post by rubicontx on Jun 20, 2008 10:15:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the post/pics, hard to tell from the camera angles but appears you got the right one, where did you order from? And (if not B&M) was it just a drop shipper or did the place actually have their own stock? I ordered it from Evosales.com. From what they were telling me, It sounded like they had their own stock. Here is part of an email response from them: "We use our own warehouses to ship so we have control". I was asking them on the control over the color of the scooter since I was reading that people were having problems with the wrong color being delivered. The rear of the scooter looks like this one:  It does have 13" tires front and back. |
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Post by lcarfizz on Jun 20, 2008 11:12:14 GMT -5
Yep, you received the 250B. Mine had no "B" on the box, the bike, or the certificate of origin. The CFMoto engine I believe has a more tapered gear box, just as mine does. Good luck !!
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Post by barry on Jun 20, 2008 21:39:21 GMT -5
Wait a minute..!! You guys are getting something substantial back from your dealers for getting the wrong bike. PowerSportsMax ofered me $50 for extra gas or something because of my small gas tank or I could ship the bike back at my cost ( $1052) in the orginal package ( the cage was so bent it took two of us to tear it apart and toss it away. No way could we use that again.) Now I really feel ripped off.
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Post by lcarfizz on Jun 20, 2008 22:31:52 GMT -5
Barry, I have not received anything back from my dealer except for 45 days full of lies in emails and a big phone bill. Hit them where it hurts, if you paid with a credit card then dispute the charge because you didn't get what was advertised. It is clear from all these problems that bait and switch is in play here. I will only send my bike back if they send me a paid invoice for the shipping and crating. In the meantime, dispute and keep all documentation.
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Post by wxguru on Jun 22, 2008 17:45:19 GMT -5
Afrorean...I too ordered from PlanetPowerToys. I will wait to see what I get in the mail. I haven't received tracking yet on mine, but expect it prob in the next 8-10 days.
I noticed that they now have them listed quite a bit higher, and they have taken the "Linhai" part off of the auction. But I too bought under the premise that I was getting the Linhai, and if it isn't, I will make a phone call.
But Brian was great when I talked to him, and based off of yours and Steveo's experiences with them over this, I don't expect a problem.
Thanks to you both for giving us your response from them. I was curious how they were going to handle it.
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Post by hanley111 on Jun 22, 2008 23:57:42 GMT -5
Call called allnewsports and she basically told me tough s&^&*(. Even though I said I am disputing this.
Hanley
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Post by glassvial on Jun 23, 2008 0:01:22 GMT -5
Wow, sounds like a real pleasure to deal with. Glad I didn't order from them.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 23, 2008 14:55:16 GMT -5
Here's a pic from lgfuzzy in another thread:  I thought it was a different motor, but upon further review, it is the Linhai 257cc motor, so he got a real B, good news (even though his plate says 244cc, go figure). Maybe they do that to get around the CARB restrictions. Also, still in discussions with my dealers, so far all Roketa has told them is, people who ordered a B are getting a B....yeah that makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by earlwb on Jun 23, 2008 14:59:20 GMT -5
The engines Roketa is getting are clones or copies of a Linhai-Yamaha Engine. They look like it, but they aren't made by Linhai. Some other factory is making the engines.
The same is for the CF-Moto-Honda clone engine, another factory manufactures copies of that engine as well.
So the copy of the Linhai engine is a 257cc engine or one of the bored out versions too. You won't be seeing a real Linhai engine on the Roketa scooters.
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Post by glassvial on Jun 23, 2008 15:07:50 GMT -5
The engines Roketa is getting are clones or copies of a Linhai-Yamaha Engine. They look like it, but they aren't made by Linhai. Some other factory is making the engines. The same is for the CF-Moto-Honda clone engine, another factory manufactures copies of that engine as well. So the copy of the Linhai engine is a 257cc engine or one of the bored out versions too. You won't be seeing a real Linhai engine on the Roketa scooters. Clone of a clone of a clone, right?  It's ok, it's just easier for point of reference/clarity to call the engines what they're copied off of, but it's not like we're calling the Roketa MC-54B a Honda Reflex! |
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Post by Jacine on Jun 23, 2008 18:29:38 GMT -5
At glassvial's request I'll sticky this thread for now.
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Post by afrorean on Jun 23, 2008 19:05:25 GMT -5
When I talked to Brian at Planet Power Toys, I was specifically told that these scoots were not a clone of a clone and that these scoots were built with a Linhai motor . Based on that info I felt like I should be compensated, which they were willing to do. So far the scoot has been running great and I look forward to riding on the main streets when I get my paperwork.
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It's ok, it's just easier for point of reference/clarity to call the engines what they're copied off of, but it's not like we're calling the Roketa MC-54B a Honda Reflex!
