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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 12:16:36 GMT -5
This scoot has kind of caught my eye. I have a stock Ruckus and do not plan in getting rid of it anytime soon. Just want legal speed limit. www.tomosusa.com/pages/model/velo150I am digging the retro look and at $1600.00? Who builds them? Cruising speed? MPG? Interested in any and al comments. Thanks |
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Post by rghoskins on Apr 26, 2008 12:48:51 GMT -5
Tomos builds it. It'll be a good bike. They've made mopeds forever. Should be a damn site better than a China bike. Incidentally, I think I'm about to sell my Z-bike and buy a Ruckus.
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Post by tortoise on Apr 26, 2008 13:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 15:37:43 GMT -5
those are made in china and Tomos buys them and puts their name on them.
like Tortoise mentioned- we'd need a vin# to nail down who actually makes it.
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Post by rghoskins on Apr 26, 2008 15:59:12 GMT -5
Tomos makes it. Hell, follow the link and it confirms it.
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 16:32:42 GMT -5
you actually think this  is made in Slovenia? i cant imagine Slovenians cloning a Honda Joker and selling it as the Velo, or cloning a Peugeot Speedfight and selling it as the Nitro. |
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Post by rghoskins on Apr 26, 2008 16:58:24 GMT -5
well I certainly don't think the company is lying regarding VIN information.
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 16:59:17 GMT -5
whats the 1st 3 digits of the vin?
the list at 2sb shows the Tomos Mopeds- not the scooters. we need someone to actually go look at at one and write down the vin so we can ID it for Brian's list.
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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 17:08:54 GMT -5
you actually think this is made in Slovenia? i cant imagine Slovenians cloning a Honda Joker and selling it as the Velo, or cloning a Peugeot Speedfight and selling it as the Nitro. Yes I do! Why would they lie? TOMOS USA Representatives Visit European Factory (December, 5 2007)
TOMOS USA representatives went to visit the TOMOS factory in Koper, Slovenia. The representatives were shown the moped factory that was recently renovated. The renovations included improvements in the painting line, assembly line, and workstation areas.
The factory also communicated the need to outsource the manufacturing of parts to Asia and India. This is due in part to the Euro vs Dollar exchange rate, higher European supplier cost, and the need for more effective working margins.
USA representatives were shown production of mopeds for 2008. Supply of mopeds for 2008 should start arriving in the USA by January 20 through May 20, 2008. At this time, the factory does not foresee any interruptions supplying the USA market with mopeds for 2008. |
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 17:11:54 GMT -5
you actually think this is made in Slovenia? i cant imagine Slovenians cloning a Honda Joker and selling it as the Velo, or cloning a Peugeot Speedfight and selling it as the Nitro. Yes I do! Why would they lie? TOMOS USA Representatives Visit European Factory (December, 5 2007)
TOMOS USA representatives went to visit the TOMOS factory in Koper, Slovenia. The representatives were shown the moped factory that was recently renovated. The renovations included improvements in the painting line, assembly line, and workstation areas.
The factory also communicated the need to outsource the manufacturing of parts to Asia and India. This is due in part to the Euro vs Dollar exchange rate, higher European supplier cost, and the need for more effective working margins.
USA representatives were shown production of mopeds for 2008. Supply of mopeds for 2008 should start arriving in the USA by January 20 through May 20, 2008. At this time, the factory does not foresee any interruptions supplying the USA market with mopeds for 2008.the Tomos mopeds are Made in Slovenia, the scooters are Chinese. |
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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 17:18:34 GMT -5
whats the 1st 3 digits of the vin? the list at 2sb shows the Tomos Mopeds- not the scooters. we need someone to actually go look at at one and write down the vin so we can ID it. I may get a chance to check next week. The salesman told me they were made in Czechoslovakia. He was close. |
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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 17:22:15 GMT -5
Yes I do! Why would they lie? TOMOS USA Representatives Visit European Factory (December, 5 2007)
TOMOS USA representatives went to visit the TOMOS factory in Koper, Slovenia. The representatives were shown the moped factory that was recently renovated. The renovations included improvements in the painting line, assembly line, and workstation areas.
The factory also communicated the need to outsource the manufacturing of parts to Asia and India. This is due in part to the Euro vs Dollar exchange rate, higher European supplier cost, and the need for more effective working margins.
USA representatives were shown production of mopeds for 2008. Supply of mopeds for 2008 should start arriving in the USA by January 20 through May 20, 2008. At this time, the factory does not foresee any interruptions supplying the USA market with mopeds for 2008.the Tomos mopeds are Made in Slovenia, the scooters are Chinese. Is your statement based solely on that article or do you have another source? |
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 17:40:42 GMT -5
my source is the fact that those are run of the mill copies and cant believe that the entire scooter world isnt on fire with news of a European - non china 150cc bike for $1600!
how is it that Tomos secretly developed a new scooter engine (it has to be different from the A-series engine used in the 'peds) and even with the tooling costs to make 2 new bikes from scratch and the Euro to Dollar exchange rate- were able to price it for less than their mid range mopeds- and in fact were able to price it right about where the chines Joker clones are priced.
why isnt this big news and why isnt everyone running out to get one?
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Post by "Big Guy" on Apr 26, 2008 18:05:18 GMT -5
When I was in Bentonville AR last month, I went to the dealer there (Scoot & Something) and looked at their scooters. Picked up the seat and the vin was L5Y, same as a bandit... these are not retooled, they are Chinese scooter parts assembled elsewhere. Didn't we already have this discussion?
-Rich
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 18:17:24 GMT -5
Didn't we already have this discussion? -Rich i just assumed it was obvious. L5Y is the Taizhou Zhingneng MC Co. (Wangye/Znen) |
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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 19:14:45 GMT -5
What is obvious is that I asked a question and got treated like crap.
Thanks
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Post by "Big Guy" on Apr 26, 2008 19:26:24 GMT -5
What is obvious is that I asked a question and got treated like crap. Thanks Huh?  I don't see it... looks like the standard passionate threads we have here all the time! -Rich |
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Post by Aerostudent on Apr 26, 2008 20:29:30 GMT -5
I didn't see anyone getting treated like crap. What I DID see was someone asking an honest question, and getting an answer that they didn't like. Then after contesting that answer, they were given another answer that they didn't like, and so on, untill the truth was so plain it would be foolish to ignore.
Keep in mine that most people here know their stuff, especially if they have been around for a while. I hope this one thread doesn't turn you away from this forum, the people here are just trying to help and they do a good job of it.
The scooter you are looking at is indeed chinese, but since Tomos uses Znen as the manufacturer, it should be pretty good. Znen makes Lance, Fly, and others that have proven to be very good for Chinascoots.
Aero
One final thought:
THEY ARE NOT MOPEDS!!!*
*This is not directed at anyone/anything, but simply a protest to the common misconception that these devices we ride/drive are mopeds, but in fact, they are (both legally and popularly) scooters. They are not in any way shape or form to be called mopeds, as mopeds have pedals and scooters do not. ;D
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Post by cruiser on Apr 26, 2008 20:30:08 GMT -5
Didn't mean to offend. I haven't visited for awhile and wasn't ready for the chinese product hate.
I'll have to search for and study the bike you say they copies. And I will check that vin number. The dealer is local and only two miles from me.
But isn't Tomos a good company? I've seen that name on mopeds, like it seems forever?
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Post by Aerostudent on Apr 26, 2008 20:41:07 GMT -5
I don't see anything offensive from anyone, really. I don't really see any Chinese hate either. The bike you are looking at is made by a good chinese manufacturer (Znen), but it is not made anywhere in Europe, that is what everyone was trying to say. Chinese does not mean bad, Chinese means not Europe ;D
Aero
Aero
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Post by voodoosix on Apr 26, 2008 20:42:09 GMT -5
Tomos makes great mopeds, but they kind of mislead the general public with the scoots. no China hate here, just making sure nobody goes out buy something...only to get something else. the scooter market in the U.S is a very confusing place right now and no one deserves to make an uninformed purchase. Scootdawg is the premier scooter forum on the net and the collaborative knowledge of the members makes it so. none of us know everything but between all of us we know quite a bit. if i try and correct someone..it isnt to belittle them or prove them wrong- rather its to ensure theyre properly informed. if you want to check out the others... start with the Lance Vintage. same price but probably a nicer overall package. www.scootersfactory.com/150cc-lance-vintage-150-moped-scooter-p-456.html |
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Post by ZootScootRiot on Apr 28, 2008 1:14:17 GMT -5
I used to work at a Honda cycle dealership years back, and we also sold Tomos mopeds. Tomos has been around a long time and their mopeds were built to last. I've already ordered my Lance Vintage but had I known Tomos had their version - I probably would of considered them instead. I know Tomos will stand behind their product. I'm at least glad my scoot comes out of the same factory, just hope Lance will stand behind their product as strong as I believe Tomos will.
One good thing - parts should be really easy to find now! Tomos was always quick about getting parts shipped back then and I'm sure it's still the same way.
One difference I do see between the Lance Vintage & Tomos Velo is tire size. Lance are 3.5x10 while Tomos are 120/70-12. Kinda wish I was getting the 120/70-12.
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Post by cruiser on Apr 28, 2008 16:36:17 GMT -5
Here is a reply I received from TOMOS. Hi Cruiser,
The VELO is mass produced for TOMOS World Wide in CHINA...All major
components are from Taiwan...The unit is only assembled in CHINA.
Very impressive unit...110KM out of box...
Thanks and best regards,
Mark Greco
General Manager
TOMOS CANADA
www.tomoscanada.com
Tel: 905-795-5529 Fax: 905-795-5596
-----Original Message-----
Sir:
I am interested in the Velo150. Can you tell where it is manufactured?
Thanks
Cruiser |
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Post by rsdavidson65 on Jun 16, 2008 12:28:29 GMT -5
Just an FYI. I just visited scooterfactory's web site and I am not sure what is going on over there but they are only listing a couple of go-carts and atv, no scooters ?!?
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Post by voodoosix on Jun 16, 2008 13:51:11 GMT -5
you have to go to Lance Powersports to see the scoots now (cant order directly anymore).
for the Velo- WE NEED SOMEONE WHO HAS A LOCAL DEALER, to go and look at the Velo and write down the 1st 3 letters/numbers of the VIN. we have confirmed that the Tomos Nitro is mfr'd by the Xiamen Xiashing factory which is owned by SYM and produces the SYM SYMply and Vogue.
if the Velo does in fact come from this factory, and considering SYM is the former contractor for Honda scooters- this could be the closest thing to the real Honda Joker that you can buy.
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Post by clarus on Jun 17, 2008 9:49:23 GMT -5
Not exactly photo proof or seeing it in person, but I called Tomos and asked what the first three characters of the VIN were on the Velo.
He said "LXM"
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Post by voodoosix on Jun 17, 2008 12:39:22 GMT -5
good job Clarus, youve been able to help nail these down.
+1 to you
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Post by ty on Jun 17, 2008 13:22:26 GMT -5
Didn't see LXM listed on the VIN list. Anyone have any ideas?
So have we verified the Tomos should be higher quality than the Lance? (Even though they could be twins identifiable only by a "birthmark.") or have we not come to a conclusion on this?
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Post by voodoosix on Jun 17, 2008 13:34:09 GMT -5
i contacted Brian so he could update the list.
as to the quality.. that is undetermined as of yet. the Nitro isnt a cookie cutter clone, and with SYM being Honda's former scooter supplier, the Velo could be the bike the other "vintage" styles are cloned from.
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Post by skyem on Jul 23, 2008 16:04:45 GMT -5
I bought a Velo 150 a couple of weeks ago and am loving it. It clearly is manufactured by Sym. The key says Sym on it and the Certificate of Quality says Sym all over it. It's a great ride! I love the looks and it's got a nice kick to it. I've been using it for my 20 mile commute to work.
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