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Post by Florida Chameleon on Apr 24, 2010 12:48:38 GMT -5
ARGH!!! Two whole weeks I didn't have oil under my fingernails!! I started feeling good, gave her a bath, dressed up nice for school on Thursday, and BLAM, the oil leak strikes back with a vengeance! I lost a whole tank on the way to school (30 miles) and sitting at school for 4 hours. It started looking like someone just struck oil during drilling about halfway to school (I haven't had the inclination to replace the black plastic body parts and valve cover access panel with all the rebuilding). Filled it up, and checked two local repair shops that don't carry head gaskets. Ordered a ten-pack from China on Friday, so I guess I'll have them next weekend. In the meantime I got some copper gasket-maker, scraped down the old metal head gasket and rebuilt the top end AGAIN today... I'm going nuts, I'm going through head gaskets like popcorn here, what gives?!?! I lost my UNI filter this week so I'm back to the stock airbox with a few more holes drilled in it, and it's been backfiring, so I moved down from a 115 to 110 main jet today to see how that pans out... Maybe the misfiring blew my gasket cement out??? I did notice when I took it off that there were quite a few non-black areas where the cement had gone away.... Any other ideas on things I should be checking for why my headgaskets keep blowing? I've not been riding WOT more than 5 minutes at a time, but I do have a 30 mile commute each way. Most of my back / misfiring occurs under 1/4 throttle during deceleration from higher rpm's... Was I correct in thinking I may have had too much gas left in the chamber when I decelerate, or am I thinking backwards?
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Post by ootscoot on Apr 24, 2010 18:37:12 GMT -5
backfiring during deceleration is usually from loose exhaust manifold gasket or exhaust manifold nuts - cold air gettin in there on decelleration..
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Post by limeracer on Apr 24, 2010 18:54:12 GMT -5
backfiring during deceleration is usually from loose exhaust manifold gasket or exhaust manifold nuts - cold air gettin in there on decelleration.. +1 OP do you have a definite source location for the leak? are you sure its not blowing out your valve cover tube?
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Apr 24, 2010 21:56:44 GMT -5
Hey Florida
The only time I have ever had that much oil "leak" was when I blew out my rings, and had crazy blow-by. The oil sprayed out that hose and got everywhere, so it was hard to see where the leak was
You might want to check when it running to see if your have oil coming out your vent hose.
Backfire - also had backfire. I fixed it with a new crushable exhaust gasket and a butload of copper gasket sealer.
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Post by Florida Chameleon on Apr 25, 2010 19:43:04 GMT -5
Hmm... It is VERY highly possibly an exhaust leak... I have one of the studs at 5/16", and it's been happening since that adjustment... I thought I had everything tightened down, but I could try putting some more copper on the gasket...
I took the head and cylinder both off yesterday, rings and jug looked ok, and no leaks spotted when I test-rode this morning, tho I didn't go real far... It still backfired... I can control or eliminate the backfiring if I decelerate real slowly, instead of suddenly... Crushable gasket?? Is that the cork ring with metal on one side, or something different?
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Apr 25, 2010 21:25:47 GMT -5
Nope Just shiny mettle gasket. Not the silly little ring gasket
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Post by Florida Chameleon on Apr 25, 2010 21:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by Florida Chameleon on Apr 28, 2010 19:32:39 GMT -5
Well, I got rid of the backfiring exhaust leak with a good dose of gasket sealant... Thought I had eliminated the oil leak this weekend. No loss yesterday, but when I checked this afternoon, I was down to a half-stick. Topped it off and keeping an eye on it... No oil flying anywhere, tho. Valve cover is dry, haven't pulled the shroud again yet, I suppose I'll check that this weekend, and hope my head gaskets get here soon!!
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Apr 28, 2010 20:55:00 GMT -5
1/2 a stick? It has to be going somewhere. Are you smoking? Seems to me it can only be leaking out the bottom, blowing out the blow-by tube, or burning up in the engine. No oil anywhere? and you still lost 1/2 your oil?
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Post by Florida Chameleon on Jun 13, 2010 10:31:25 GMT -5
I think I have a very slow leak now... I haven't really done anything but refill the oil in the last month, too busy for disassembly right now, but it /seems/ to be holding up pretty well, considering...
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Post by tortoise on Jun 13, 2010 11:48:30 GMT -5
I've not been riding WOT more than 5 minutes at a time, but I do have a 30 mile commute each way. You may have unrealistic performance expectations for an air-cooled GY6 150cc engine . . related discussion. I think I have a very slow leak now... I haven't really done anything but refill the oil in the last month WHERE do you suspect the oil is leaking from? What oil are you using? "Because synthetics are slicker than conventional oil, they allow for smoother, cooler engine operation. That means more horsepower and better gas mileage. But in some cases, that same super-slick consistency may exacerbate existing internal or external engine leaks, resulting in blow-by and burn-off. Keep in mind that this happens only in engines where leaks are already an issue." . . How Stuff Works
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Post by kz1000st on Jun 15, 2010 14:04:12 GMT -5
You may have unrealistic performance expectations for an air-cooled GY6 150cc engine
How about unrealistic expectations from a 150cc anything? He's doing roughly 300 miles a week, 1200 miles a month, 14,400 miles a year (15,600?). That's just on his commute. Didn't I hear him say he took the scoot out for a 120 mile ride one day?
Oil leaks, Blown exhaust gaskets, broken valves. Two words-Motor Cycle. All sorts of bikes available for little money that will stand up to this abuse. Old Honda Rebels by the truckloads. Heck, old Kawasakis, Hondas, Suzukis and Yamahas of every shape and size. If your speedometer was working you'd be astounded at how many miles you really have on that scooter already. You should be doing an oil change every other week.
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Post by hollipl on Mar 11, 2012 5:04:17 GMT -5
Yea, for that much milage, you should be riding a motorcycle, or if you specifically don't like motorcycles, consider investing in a much more reliable japanese or american made scooter.
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 11, 2012 10:22:44 GMT -5
Good string. I can't imagine sitting my my 150 for 30 miles. Now I used to ride a 90CC Honda about 25 miles to work most days. But my 150 no way. Most 250's would be something else. I do suspect you may be building up a lot of crankcase pressure. Your vent hose may be moving and at times restricting the venting of ordinary ring blow-by. Good starting indicates good compression. Backfiring is almost always a combination of LEAN mixture and an air leak in the exhaust near the head although running hard for 30 miles will get the entire exhaust hot enough to auto ignite. I think your running perhaps on the rich side is what saves your engine. Rich runs much cooler. Lean burns slower so you still get flame going past the exhaust valve. We used to lean out engines on a B29 (3350's) till we had a bit of flame coming out the collector ring. (exhaust). At night you could see the exhaust pipe glow red. LEAN. It runs much hotter. I would tackle the backfiring by: 1. remove the muffler hangers 2. get a now copper sealing ring 3. Carefully tighten the exhaust flange to the head. Use a torque wrench so you get all the tightening you can without breaking anything. Clean the threads first and use aluminum anti- seize to lubricate. 4. Now get an acetylene torch on the exhaust pipe and heat it up enough to soften the pipe and carefully bend it so that all the brackets are perfectly aligned so that no bend/twist pressures are on the flange. You probably are getting the copper sealing ring hot enough to be soft so it is opening up after a few days of riding I would also stop at least once near midway each way and check oil level. Carry a quart or so and a rag and a funnel with you. Your engine will love a 3 minute rest. Go for it. Amazing what you are doing and how well your scoot is doing it. New set of tires every 6 months or so? Cheers lefty2
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Post by Globs on Mar 11, 2012 11:24:33 GMT -5
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