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Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's fault? « Thread Started on Aug 19, 2010, 7:16pm »
Pretty spectacular video.....quite interesting. That's why you should wear gloves.....among other safety gear.
The car looked to be going too fast (sounded like it also), but the scooter rider didn't check for vehicles coming up on him, as he changed lanes......obviously not well enough anyway.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #1 on Aug 20, 2010, 9:11am »
The car was going way too fast. He was doing many times the speed of the rest of the traffic. Traffic flows best when everyone is going the same speed. I am sure that the scooter rider didn't expect the guy 10 car lengths back to close that fast. If it was a police car it should have had its siren on.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #3 on Aug 20, 2010, 10:23am »
both of them are stupid! the car speed up,and didn't care if anything comes on his way,,then the scooter rider is another stupendous dopey, he never uses his rear view mirror before turning to the right lane, he looked back when he was half way thru the right lane, i'm sure he didn't take the MSF course like me, nah but i ride scooter most of my life in asian country,which makes me a good defensive driver. no amount of msf course can match that training. lol...well the proof is.. am still alive!!,, my conclusion: the less cars a city has,the more stupid drivers are ,but are disciplined drivers...and the more crowded the city is,the more skillfull drivers are. but undisciplined drivers.
Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #4 on Aug 22, 2010, 11:11pm »
I know its not supposed to be funny but I laughed my ass off when old boy chunked his hands in the air as soon as he got hit. The car didnt seem to be going no more than 75 to me. Thats normal interstate speed around here. Either way, the retard on the scoot wasnt paying much attention and the driver was going on the fast side. Both of them got a wake up call.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #5 on Sept 24, 2010, 8:33pm »
Well, the scooterist appeared to not signal before changing lanes. If he would have given a signal of a lane change, the car would have slown down maybe. Another thing, the rider did not look back before lane changing. Whether or not he looked into his rearview mirror is mute, because he was to look back also. I did not think the video was to funny, but he was lucky the guy was paying attention and stopped pretty fast.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #6 on Sept 24, 2010, 8:36pm »
He looked back, but as making the lane change. One always wants to look back before a lane change. The scooterist foundout the hard way, but was lucky to be alive.
Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #7 on Sept 27, 2010, 7:19pm »
On the other hand, the car should not have been traveling so fast in the right lane, passing all other traffic. he was clearly impatient to get past the accident scene at the beginning of the vid, and floored it by the sound of his engine. Can't tell, if scooter signaled, but he did look. He probably didn't expect he was being passed on the right. That said, he also didn't pull over so fast as to be cutting the car off, car didn't pay attention. And in general, the vehicle striking from the rear is at primary fault. He needed to be aware of vehicles moving right for things like exits, an he failed to do so.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #8 on Sept 28, 2010, 7:50am »
Passing on the right under most circumstances, is very dangerous......as was illustrated in the video. If the insurance companies actually get to view this video, I'll bet the car driver will be judged mostly at fault......obviously speeding, possibly careless and reckless, etc.
The scooter driver.....maybe didn't signal for a lane change, failed to look backward before changing lanes, etc. May not be as serious a violation as the car, but still resulted in a possible serious accident for the scooter. Could have been much worse.....
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #10 on Nov 14, 2010, 5:12pm »
Around here, the right lane is often the fastest. I watched the video a couple times and even went back and forth a few, it looks like the scooter rider not only didn't really look +/or signal, but it looks as if he slows down as well. The car in front of him actually gains distance before "contact" is made. Two things come to mind; 1) PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing when you ride, and 2) Wear protective gear - that shouldn't have done much even with minimal gear on.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #11 on Nov 14, 2010, 5:43pm »
Let me tell you guys about insurance co , have you heard of percentage at fault to settle accidents. If your accident caused one thousand dollars to be payed out to the other insured you will be surcharged. reguardless of percentage at falt .
the guy in the car was flying in what we call in the us the granny lane (slower traffic to the right) the guy on the scooter was a moron look at how close he was to the rear bumper of the car in the middle lane.
Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #13 on Nov 14, 2010, 7:37pm »
Hi Folks I hate to sound arrogant but I find little fun in hi way scooting, in south Carolina it is a past time of the video and vampire freaks to hit and run mopeds for sport, and my black friends will never ride at night any where. the reason I got a 200 cc bike was to be able to get away from any cars any time. And it is no bad remark against the good responsible folks at the NRA when I say this country has fallen to barbarianism for many a household. I got a scoot to enjoy a simpler life and be closer to nature, but these realities must be faced 3 moped hit and runs in October in So. Caro. Read Em and Weep
Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #15 on Nov 15, 2010, 1:00am »
I did not want anyone to misinterpret my remarks as aimed at some group it was not intended for. I worked for NRA years ago, they have a attitude that life is precious and must be seen as a discipline as well as an responsibility and a gift, owning and driving a car is nothing less, and riding a moped too. these moped killings down here need air time, there's only one thing that works anywhere on any subject, discipline, intelligence and heart. do that and reap.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #16 on Nov 15, 2010, 10:14pm »
I looked at it several times. It is in a foreign country obviously so maybe the right hand lane is ok to drive faster, don't know. The car tires are squealing after he hits the bike, but look at how short he travels after he hits the bike, less than 30 feet judging by the distance to the sign post. And as was mentioned, the biker has his brakelight lit up, so guessing he was on his brake after he switched into the right lane..Why? And he was tailgating so closely he could not have sped up to get around the car ahead. What was this guy thinking of? Almost looked to me like he caused the accident. I've had vehicles cut in front of me with precious little room left between us. And also without signaling. Just my $0.02. Garyr
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #17 on Jan 19, 2011, 2:43pm »
I've got a more basic question that all of that. Why wasn't the scoot rider wearing some protective clothing? Reminds me of down here in FL where I live. I think they're called organ donors.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #20 on Jan 29, 2011, 10:27pm »
My Goodness, I would say the scooter is at fault, no turn signal, he turned his head and looked and either didn't see the car or saw it and continued pulling out in front of it. I'm not going to guess if this was staged or not, but what I will say is the scooterist in this video is very very lucky. It was I think his own fault for not telling surrounding traffic what he was wanting to do, and not making sure the way was clear for his own safety. He's very very lucky indeed. Thank god for small favors.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #21 on Jan 30, 2011, 9:31am »
the scooterest gave up on on impact , he put his hands in the air , he did not try to hold on and recover . However there are plenty of common sense mistakes made in that video .
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #22 on Jan 30, 2011, 7:08pm »
the scooter obviously slowed down when he saw the car coming behind him...he should've accelerated rather than slow down....maybe he expected the car to stop for him...sorry that's not gonna happen.,,he wears,shorts,flip flops,t-shirt and riding in a highway along with speeding cars and trucks ,,,it's a suicide,,my goodness!
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #23 on May 19, 2011, 3:21am »
car was at fault, any vehicle that hits a vehicle from behind usually is found to be at fault. Obviously, the guy was speeding. He's lucky he wasn't on a motorcycle.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #24 on May 23, 2011, 8:09pm »
At the start of the video there were two motorcycle cops sitting there, one directing traffic around a bad car wreck.
The car was not going "too fast", maybe 25mph or so, perhaps less, as the scooter rider only flew about 25 feet or so before he stopped. At 70 the rider would have slid for several hundred feet before stopping.
From the style of vehicles and the topology around, it appeared to be in a semi tropical area.
The far left hand lane was a commercial lane, and the cars are left hand drive. The taxi looked like a typical Chinese taxi. The pickup truck appeared to be a typical Daihatsu truck which are everywhere over there.
The blue street sign said "KEEP LEFT" and had Chinese characters on the bottom line, so probably Taiwan. In China they have different street signs and outside of Beijing none have English writing. This means the right hand lane is the passing lane.
The scooter rider's hands flew up FROM THE IMPACT and not because he was gesticulating.
He was VERY LUCKY he was able to just get up from the collision. Notice he didn't immediately jump in the face of the car driver yelling and screaming. He just calmly walked to the side of the road and sauntered to his scooter. Totally different culture over there.
It was probably a taxi recording the video, since most taxis in China and Taiwan have the video recorders going. They are also very popular in Korean taxis, just for this purpose of recording accidents. It's the taxi company and not the driver who does this.
I think technically it was the scooter rider's fault, as he pulled in front of a faster moving vehicle.
Since you can barely see the rear light, it's nearly impossible to tell if he really was braking or if that was just the running light. Also, you can't tell if he turned on his signal or not. The video is too crappy. I seriously doubt he was braking as he was going into the faster lane.
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Re: Scooter rear-ended on video.....but who's faul « Reply #25 on May 28, 2011, 7:43pm »
Ya, the scooterist did not signal, was not aware of his surroundings because his arms just flung up in the air like( What the).. and forgot to wear his leather jacket. lol
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