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Post by 260orbust on Jun 12, 2011 0:40:11 GMT -5
OK! So I'm thinking of taking a weekend trip. It's about 708 miles round trip and most of that will be on the freeway. The scooter seems to be running good, well about as good as a China scooter can run! I think I've got the problem with the carb diaphragm fixed. I still need to replace the windshield and put the plastics on but I think it's as ready as it ever will be. I did a valve adjust about 1000 miles ago, maybe less I don't remember cause it stopped working right after. So what do ya think? Should I try it or not?
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Post by ♣Luke♣ on Jun 12, 2011 0:58:25 GMT -5
you must try, it's fun, BUT pls avoid the freeways...that's a suicide!...install a gps mount on your scooty so you won't get lost.....do a detailed itenirary on a piece of paper and leave a copy to your relative so in case something happened and you didn't show up on time,at least they have some ways to trace your whereabouts...good luck!..4th of july weekend is the best time to do the trip...
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Post by loosegrit on Jun 12, 2011 1:13:24 GMT -5
Yes, skip the freeways. Scooter are about the ride not the desination. See the back side of America. 100 miles of back roads will beat 700 freeway miles in a heartbeat.
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 12, 2011 6:28:20 GMT -5
A long trip would be nice but I don't have that much time. The plan is to leave after work on a Friday and hit the interstate for 304 miles. About 6 hours later I'll be at my destination and checking into my room. ;D
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Post by califmike33 on Jun 12, 2011 10:23:35 GMT -5
If you can take back or side roads its fine, freeway is a no go on a scooter.
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Post by ♣Luke♣ on Jun 12, 2011 13:32:13 GMT -5
ok,if you can keep up with the freeway speed that's fine, if not,well that's when the problem begins, remember, cops are everywhere, hiding in the bushes with their speed guns, you don't want to be clocked with 40mph on a 70mph speed limit...some cops are very sensitive during holidays,fyi anyway,totally up to you dawg, ....like what loosegrit once said, "scooter is about the ride,not the destination" i like that! ..meaning if you rely on scooter as a sole mode of transportation,you'll always be late @work...LOL!!! safety first bud!
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Post by bobbyb on Jun 12, 2011 14:39:55 GMT -5
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I agree, stay off of the freeway. Big trucks will eat you up.
Anybody heard from newguy. He made it to Ariz. and haven't heard from him him since. Hope the earth didn't swallow him up.
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Post by nulldevice on Jun 12, 2011 19:01:38 GMT -5
Averaging 50 MPH for six hours may be possible, but I wouldn't try for it over that much distance. Stop for fuel and oil check, stop for a meal, stop to pee, stop to stretch before your tail bone is pounded up to your navel. An average of 40+ MPH or so is more realistic and a lot safer because you won't get overtired.
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 16, 2011 6:41:06 GMT -5
Well I'd average 55 mph but can get up to 60 - 65 if there's no head wind but there always seems to be one though. I looked at the entire route with Yahoo maps and it looks pretty flat but I dunno.
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Post by noday on Jun 16, 2011 6:55:57 GMT -5
you are going to work all day then take a 6 hr trip with the last 3 hrs after dark on a freeway.....
that's tuff even in an auto.
plus you have repeated carb problems with your ride.
3 hrs after dark on a freeway will be dangerous even before you add the fatigue factor from working all day and the 1st 3 hrs of vibration and wind whip.
I think this is a foolhardy plan.
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Post by reynoldston on Jun 16, 2011 7:32:40 GMT -5
You need a bigger bike for that trip. For freeways you need 65 to 70 MPH. Git yourself a motorcyce before you start traveling freeways.
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 16, 2011 9:26:04 GMT -5
While I both admire and applaud the spirt of the Ironbutt, God knows I have logged 10 miles to every 1 mile on a scooter or motorcycle over a car. I would like to know first how you made the repair to the carb's diaphragm. Did you replace the diaphragm ? the entire carb ? If not then no i don't recommend you go.
Safety comes first and foremost to my mind, as I said earlier I admire and applaud the spirit of the Ironbut ride, I can't help but think your bike is not yet ready for such a ride. Do you have a spare spark plug, CVT belt, CDI and Coil to take with you ? And with the CVT Belt do you have the tools to change it if needed ?If not then I don't recommend it. I like my Chinese scooter very much, it's very reliable now, but many here know it took a lot of time and effort to get it that way. Some of that was the Chinese lack of attention to quality control, my own ignorance to these scooter engines.
If you go on an Ironbutt ride I wish you the best, but if you go unprepared for problems and have them it will make an unpleasant situation even worse on you.. So if you go take with you what you need (parts and tools) should you have any minor problems, this way you can enjoy the ride with no worry's..
I would recommend some shorter trips first to see how the scooter will act before a long ride. Good Luck :-)
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 16, 2011 10:57:01 GMT -5
OK I botched the description completely. I work nights so I'd be leaving at about 3:30 A.M. Saturday morning, nobody out on the freeways at that time and the sun is up around 5:30 A.M. My repair to the diaphragm fail yet again! Don't ask me how since there's nothing but air going in there. So I gotta break down and order a new one. Do I have a spare... Spark plug? CDI? Coil? CVT belt? Uhhhh... no! The originals only have 4K on them but then again the carb diaphragm only had about 3500 miles on it when it tore. Oh good lord what am I thinking? This crapmobile will never make it! LOL
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Post by bigphillip79 on Jun 16, 2011 12:24:25 GMT -5
Don't listen to these guys about the freeway. If your comfortable on the big road then jump on it and cover your miles. I assume you have a 250 scoot so 68 mph will be fine, even 65 is plenty. Just wear your Hi-Viz to be seen and stay in the right lane. My Helix lives most of its life on the freeway with no issue. I actually end up doing more passing than being passed. I even run my Riva 180 on the free way. It is a little squirly but it'll do 65 which is enough to stay out of the way. I never seen a bigger bunch of wussies than here. If your goal is to get somewhere, then the freeway is the way to go, for site-seeing or joy-riding use the backroads.
Now the bike making it, that's a different story. Take it out and run it to find out what you top speed is on flat road. subtract 5mph and that should get you your cruising speed and 5 mph for passing.
My first trip was a 130 mile loop Poker Run. The scoot was flawless. I thought it was going to be a slow ride but it turns out the group I was riding with said I was going too fast. They were all on motorcycles. After that I trusted it to go anywhere.
Plus Cali is a 55mph truck state so you'll be leaving them in your dust.
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 16, 2011 14:34:21 GMT -5
OK I botched the description completely. I work nights so I'd be leaving at about 3:30 A.M. Saturday morning, nobody out on the freeways at that time and the sun is up around 5:30 A.M. My repair to the diaphragm fail yet again! Don't ask me how since there's nothing but air going in there. So I gotta break down and order a new one. Do I have a spare... Spark plug? CDI? Coil? CVT belt? Uhhhh... no! The originals only have 4K on them but then again the carb diaphragm only had about 3500 miles on it when it tore. Oh good lord what am I thinking? This crapmobile will never make it! LOL I'm just being honest, you asked opinions, what I em describing is a basic tool kit for these things. The diaphragm can not be patched, you don't just have air going thru it, you have an air fuel mix that will quickly turn most adhesives to muck. The bike will make the trip, but you have described several problems with it in many threads, I don't know what you have done to repair the problems you have had so my advice is caution until the bike has proven itself... The Chinese are not known for good quality rubber products yet I would make the trip you describe with mine, but I have replaced all the hoses with high quality hoses, CVT Belt is new made of kevlar and in good shape, CDI and Coil is again new and I have the originals it came with as backup. Your bike will make the trip, and it will make thousands of more trouble free miles, I know you feel spending another 60 dollars in components is something you should not have to do. But it will make the bike a reliable one.
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Post by medman1952 on Jun 16, 2011 17:08:13 GMT -5
So just exactly what is it you are riding? Must be a 250 but what is it.
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Post by nulldevice on Jun 16, 2011 18:06:56 GMT -5
There is a difference between your cruising speed and your average speed. The average speed is distance divided by time. When you stop for fuel, stop for a break of any nature (food, water, rest break, potty stop, whatever) the distance stops increasing during the break but the time keeps moving on. It has been my experience with an automobile you need to cruise with the cruise control on about 10 - 15 MPH faster than your average speed goal. I suggest you plan on at least eight hours, not six. That is a more realistic goal that avoids beating yourself to death and not flog your scooter. Well I'd average 55 mph but can get up to 60 - 65 if there's no head wind but there always seems to be one though. I looked at the entire route with Yahoo maps and it looks pretty flat but I dunno.
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 16, 2011 19:17:24 GMT -5
I think he's got a Linhai 250 or something like that medman, it was suppose to be a pretty good brand from what I have read...
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 16, 2011 19:22:11 GMT -5
I've been riding it to work (well that is when it has worked : so I'm not worried about freeway riding. Here's what it is back in it's better days! LOL Been riding it "Naked style" lately since it keeps breaking down! Your right Larry the diaphragm cannot be patched! Just took off the carb and sure enough my beautiful repair is toast. I ordered a new carb from BMS.
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Post by mk9750 on Jun 16, 2011 19:31:16 GMT -5
260orbust,
If my experience can be a guide for you, I'll tell you what I did.
Back in August of 2009, I took my 150cc Xingyue from the east side of Cleveland, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio. I left on Sunday morning about 10:30. I am not comfortable with a two wheeler on the freeway, and the top speed on my 150 cc on flat ground is about 57 MPH. So I took State Route 3 going down to Columbus, and State Route 62 back home. Both these routes are either 45 MPH or 55 MPH, so I figured my 57 would be fine most of the time.
This trip by car takes 2 and a half hours to 2 hours and 45 minutes on the freeway. With the slower speeds, going through small towns with traffic and traffic lights, stopping for gas and because my a$$ hurt like hell, it took me six and a half hours on the scooter. It took 7 hours on the way back, but I had a small mechanical problem (a hose came unconnected, but I had to wait 20 minutes or so for the engine to cool off enough for me to put the hose back on).
The biggest problem I had was that there were so many times that I was trying to go up hill in a 55 MPH zone. Although my scooter can go 57, if I am climbing any significant grade, my top speed is about 40 MPH. I had so many people mad at me until I got to the top of each hill, the trip lost it's charm very quickly.
In the end, I can tell you that although I am glad to be able to say I did it, I would neither EVER do it again, nor would I encourage anyone else to do it either.
Now, if you have a 250cc scoot, and are willing to ride the freeway, it might be more pleasant for you than I had it. But if you have a 150cc scoot, there's NO WAY I would suggest it.
If you do decide to go, please do everything you can to be safe. Dress properly, inspect your scooter at every stop, keep hydrated, and develop a trip plan that people at both ends of the route have. Also, my personal believe is that because this comes with some risk, it it wise to check in with someone at pre-arranged times.
Best of luck to you!
Mark
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 16, 2011 19:33:49 GMT -5
I've been riding it to work (well that is when it has worked : so I'm not worried about freeway riding. Here's what it is back in it's better days! LOL Been riding it "Naked style" lately since it keeps breaking down! Your right Larry the diaphragm cannot be patched! Just took off the carb and sure enough my beautiful repair is toast. I ordered a new carb from BMS. Sorry, I hate being right when it cost someone money, God knows how hard we all work to make it.. I'm sure that will help the reliability of your bike a lot. I do recommend having the extra parts I mentioned and replanning that trip.. It will make it I'm sure.. The boy scout motto "Be Prepared".
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Post by Jeff on Jun 16, 2011 21:54:34 GMT -5
300 miles on a 260, all freeway, is a butt buster. I've done 200 and I was a bit sore but I'm an old fart too. You will likely be fine, but you need to be 100% confident of your ride. Personally I don't like filling the underseat storage with tools and spare parts that consume half the space so I would have a top case or saddle bags or bungie something to the rear seat before a ride that long. Good idea to have a towing option available too, just in case. I would go for it, but make sure everything about your scooter is working first. Better tires than the oem crap will make a _world of difference_ too.
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 17, 2011 5:20:06 GMT -5
I don't really think it will make it but we'll see how it is after the new carb & brake switch gets here next week.
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 17, 2011 5:53:59 GMT -5
I'm really sure your scooter will do it. I just got a job and started this week, the job is 42 miles from me so I'm pushing mine 84 miles a day round trip. And so far it's running really good.
So have faith in it, keep well maintained, replace it's short comings with better quality stuff, and enjoy the ride. ;D
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Post by nulldevice on Jun 17, 2011 21:03:41 GMT -5
In this discussion on trip planning I will remind everyone -- the speedometers on these scooters generally read ten to twenty percent faster than you are going. Check your speedometer so you know how fast you are really going. In my case when the speedo reads 70 MPH I am actually going about 50-55 MPH.
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 18, 2011 9:33:39 GMT -5
In this discussion on trip planning I will remind everyone -- the speedometers on these scooters generally read ten to twenty percent faster than you are going. Check your speedometer so you know how fast you are really going. In my case when the speedo reads 70 MPH I am actually going about 50-55 MPH. Wow! And I thought mine was bad. It starts off about 5 mph's then when you get over 40 or 50 it off by 10 mph. I always laugh when I see a noob on youtube with a scooter like mine braggin about how fast it goes.
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Post by jim63 on Jun 18, 2011 15:37:56 GMT -5
I had a 250B, somewhat similair to you your 260 scooter. With all your issues with that thing, I am surprised you still have it. As far as taking it on a road trip, if you cant trust your ride to make it without alot of concerns, and it is a voluntary ride I'd say absolutely no. I regularly travel the interstate to work on mine at 65-70mph and have no issues. I dont find it unsafe at all, versus if I am on my motorcycle. My wife and I have travelled on the interstate for several hundred miles at a stretch when we needed to and were ok with it. We travel on our scooters distances that cover thousands of miles, I dont need to bring a bucket load of parts, and strap a toolbox to the back when we go. I bring a spare belt, tire patch kit, and some select tools that will allow me to work on most items (maybe 3lbs of tools). The key is to start with a reliable ride, and prep it prior to leaving. But in your case I wouldnt take that bike out of the neighborhood after reading about it, and your past posts. If you do give it a shot good luck, bring a charged cell phone and a credit card just in case.
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