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|  | 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Thread Started on Aug 9, 2009, 3:28am » | |
I wonder if that is possible with a 50cc kitted to 70cc it would be able to go 80mph? I found this video on my scooter but I am still skeptic.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #1 on Aug 9, 2009, 6:16am » | |
At 1:42 in the video he does say it gets past 80MPH, but then corrects himself to say 50MPH or 80KPH. 50MPH should be easily attainable with all that they added. Especially on a stock speedometer.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #2 on Aug 9, 2009, 12:48pm » | |
full evo kit, and yeah 80mph is possible 
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #3 on Aug 9, 2009, 4:11pm » | |
yup, very much possible. some 50cc air cooled is converted to liquid cooled,somehow they managed to install radiator to the engine. Asian scooterist does that well. they put the radiator in front of the scooter. looks crazy but it can withstand 70-80mph for a longer period of time.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #4 on Aug 9, 2009, 4:15pm » | |
80 mph is probably possible but I don't think it would last long
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #5 on Aug 9, 2009, 4:39pm » | |
My water cooled four valve ceramic coated cylinder SYM HD 200 only goes to 73. Somehow I doubt it.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #6 on Aug 9, 2009, 7:21pm » | |
No way it can get to 80 and sustain it without being watercooled and then i doubt it
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #7 on Aug 9, 2009, 7:54pm » | |
Reaching 80MPH and cruising at 80MPH are 2 different worlds. I'm sure it can be done in either case, but they surely won't be your standard 70cc kits. I'd say average for 70cc scooters is 50-60MPH. If you see a 70cc scooter cruising at 80MPH, someone has some serious time and/or money and knowledge in to that thing (or you should see a tow rope attached to a vehicle in front of them ). To be realistic, I haven't rode on a 49cc scooter that I would feel safe cruising at 80MPH on yet. Even if it felt stable enough, the extra 20-30MPH would show you the shortcomings in your braking system the first time you had to make an emergency stop. If you rode at night, headlight upgrades would be a must. Quality wheel bearings would be a good idea as well. There is just so much stuff that I think should be addressed if you were talking about a scooter capable of 80MPH cruising, aside from the power and tuning to acheive that speed. Not to mention, imagine the tickets you'd get if you rode that on the street and got caught doing 80MPH on a scooter that in most areas is not supposed to travel above 30-35MPH and be limited to around 3HP! lol
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #8 on Aug 10, 2009, 8:39am » | |
So far I gotten my scoot to go 35 to 40 mph with the restriction. Over the weekend I took the restriction ring off and I have reached 47 to 49 mph on flat with a friend sitting with me. I couldn't believe but that what it says on the speedo. I guess next to do is test it with a car driving next to me. 80mph is scary yet alone going 45 on my scooter just this weekend.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #9 on Aug 10, 2009, 1:00pm » | |
Aug 9, 2009, 7:54pm, 90GTVert wrote:Reaching 80MPH and cruising at 80MPH are 2 different worlds. I'm sure it can be done in either case, but they surely won't be your standard 70cc kits. I'd say average for 70cc scooters is 50-60MPH. If you see a 70cc scooter cruising at 80MPH, someone has some serious time and/or money and knowledge in to that thing (or you should see a tow rope attached to a vehicle in front of them ). To be realistic, I haven't rode on a 49cc scooter that I would feel safe cruising at 80MPH on yet. Even if it felt stable enough, the extra 20-30MPH would show you the shortcomings in your braking system the first time you had to make an emergency stop. If you rode at night, headlight upgrades would be a must. Quality wheel bearings would be a good idea as well. There is just so much stuff that I think should be addressed if you were talking about a scooter capable of 80MPH cruising, aside from the power and tuning to acheive that speed. Not to mention, imagine the tickets you'd get if you rode that on the street and got caught doing 80MPH on a scooter that in most areas is not supposed to travel above 30-35MPH and be limited to around 3HP! lol |
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #10 on Aug 11, 2009, 9:39pm » | |
Aug 10, 2009, 8:39am, rlim wrote:| So far I gotten my scoot to go 35 to 40 mph with the restriction. Over the weekend I took the restriction ring off and I have reached 47 to 49 mph on flat with a friend sitting with me. I couldn't believe but that what it says on the speedo. I guess next to do is test it with a car driving next to me. 80mph is scary yet alone going 45 on my scooter just this weekend. |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just recently gotten a primo scooter with no name on the scoot. I been researching extensively on the bike but I seem to be at a lost. I went to the primo scooter site and all email addy seem to be dead.
So far I know its a 2 stroke for sure since because of the auto lube. I think its a 41qmb since the exhaust sits differently than zuma and 40qmb.
I was wondering how would I do such a swap with a 40qmb. I would like my scoot to go faster than 32. I saw a zuma engine selling for 400 on a craiglist listing.
And now you can do 49 MPH riding two up???
Either you are totally full of sh*t or it's a MIRACLE.
50cc scoots don't do 49 MPH two up. And just last month you could only do 32. Give us a break.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #11 on Aug 11, 2009, 10:40pm » | |
Re: The MRP video.
I don't know about these MRP guys. They talk a big line but when it comes to the real numbers... where were they?
They do not seem very professional. They are just marketing their parts and not doing a too terrific job at that.
Yeah, a 70 2t can be made to run 80 mph with a ton of money and work. You're talking 13 - 14,000 rpm and a rebuild every 15 - 20 hours if it is consistently run at that speed.
Those guys will never see that TGB run that fast just hanging on a half dozen or so of their parts though.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #12 on Aug 12, 2009, 7:21am » | |
As I pointed out earlier though, they didn't say 80MPH... well they did, but they realised it was KPH and corrected themseleves to say 80KPH or 50MPH. I've had an MRP cylinder kit and pipe and even my heavy self went 50+MPH on radar so that part isn't stretched. They claim wheelies... well, I didn't see any wheelies in this video. If a seller claims to do wheelies, I think they should show you these wheelies so you can understand that they are using technique more than power.
I do think some of their claims are exaggerated in some videos, but apparently that's what you have to do to sell to the general public. I just listed three homemade boost bottles on eBay. I thought it may be a good way to pick up a couple bucks when I feel like making them. Every other seller on eBay claims MPH increases, some say up to 10MPH. They claim amazing performance. I wrote my listing honestly, including this passage :
Boost bottles help to provide a smoother idle, improved throttle response, and increased low to midrange power. I have had great luck with them on 2 stroke pocketbike, atv, and scooter engines. Boost bottles are not intended to be a substitute for proper tuning, but even a well tuned engine can often benefit from the addition of a boost bottle. Some sellers claim big MPH increases by installing boost bottles. I have never witnessed an increase in top speed by installing a boost bottle. Boost bottles primarily function at low to mid RPM, improving drivability and low/midrange power. When engine RPM increases to a certain rate, boost bottles simply can't keep up. It's proven. Don't believe the hype that you'll be going 5-10MPH faster by installing a boost bottle. If your vehicle picks up much speed from installing a boost bottle, your carburetor is probably out of tune.
Thanks to honesty my boost bottle kits went for $0.99 each and one of three didn't even sell. The other guys that make big claims for big MPH can sell essentially the same kit (although I think theirs are designed using 49cc bottles and not even taking the hose volume into account) for closer to $20. Many of these are PVC just like mine, except I add body filler to smooth out the seams a little. I';ve got 100%+ feedback, 5 star seller ratings, etc... so I don't think that is the problem.
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Point being, I don't really agree with it, but making things sound a little better certainly pays off for many sellers because a lot of people just don't know what to believe.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #13 on Aug 12, 2009, 7:38am » | |
Damn, Vert! I wish I would've known you were selling home made boost bottles. I would've bought all 3 of them If you decide to get rid of that one that didn't sell, let me know.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #14 on Aug 12, 2009, 10:20pm » | |
Aug 11, 2009, 10:40pm, rallyrrr wrote:Re: The MRP video.
I don't know about these MRP guys. They talk a big line but when it comes to the real numbers... where were they?
They do not seem very professional. They are just marketing their parts and not doing a too terrific job at that.
Yeah, a 70 2t can be made to run 80 mph with a ton of money and work. You're talking 13 - 14,000 rpm and a rebuild every 15 - 20 hours if it is consistently run at that speed.
Those guys will never see that TGB run that fast just hanging on a half dozen or so of their parts though. |
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #15 on Aug 13, 2009, 10:03am » | |
And now you can do 49 MPH riding two up???
Either you are totally full of sh*t or it's a MIRACLE.
50cc scoots don't do 49 MPH two up. And just last month you could only do 32. Give us a break.
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I got a new second hand scooter, that why I was asking about the TGB. I took vert's advice about the swap not being feesible and got another one . I am not full of crap or miracle. I am just saying after I took the ring off I was able to get around 48 or 49 or so, but I think my speedo is off so I am not guaranteeing that I gotten up to speed with this and plus it took a long time to get there. As for two up, I am only 170 and my friend is about 130, so I thought it was pretty funny I reach these speeds but as soon I got on a hill it just blated at 35. I bought this scooter because of the what the mrp video claim and too narrow minded to hear it clear but Vert said it was a misinterpretation. I will try to make a video when I get the chance when I get home from work. I am only here on the forum not to boast but only rely what I am getting on my scooter so other don't get misinterpret information out there and a major plus everyone here on the forum has lot of information to share, "Which is awesome." Thanks everyone for the advice.
As for Specs on my scoot, its a 50cc morini clone. Alot of the sites shows it has around 4.8hp but I am not certain if this hold true but I love the scooter since its pretty much can scoot me and my wife around nicely without lagging badly going up hills. The other scooter I had barely make it up hills with me on it.
Here is the spec link: http://www.cobrasales.com/303r.htm
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #16 on Aug 13, 2009, 10:39am » | |
This was the other site I found a while back that made me want a tgb. http://www.drxmedia.com/drxsoftware/303RS/TGB303RS.htm
I guess I scrolled all the way to the bottom and saw the 51mph. I think this is before the 70cc kit. This is just my guess.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #17 on Aug 13, 2009, 1:28pm » | |
Aug 13, 2009, 10:03am, rlim wrote:And now you can do 49 MPH riding two up???
Either you are totally full of sh*t or it's a MIRACLE.
50cc scoots don't do 49 MPH two up. And just last month you could only do 32. Give us a break.
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I got a new second hand scooter, that why I was asking about the TGB. I took vert's advice about the swap not being feesible and got another one . I am not full of crap or miracle. I am just saying after I took the ring off I was able to get around 48 or 49 or so, but I think my speedo is off so I am not guaranteeing that I gotten up to speed with this and plus it took a long time to get there. As for two up, I am only 170 and my friend is about 130, so I thought it was pretty funny I reach these speeds but as soon I got on a hill it just blated at 35. I bought this scooter because of the what the mrp video claim and too narrow minded to hear it clear but Vert said it was a misinterpretation. I will try to make a video when I get the chance when I get home from work. I am only here on the forum not to boast but only rely what I am getting on my scooter so other don't get misinterpret information out there and a major plus everyone here on the forum has lot of information to share, "Which is awesome." Thanks everyone for the advice.
As for Specs on my scoot, its a 50cc morini clone. Alot of the sites shows it has around 4.8hp but I am not certain if this hold true but I love the scooter since its pretty much can scoot me and my wife around nicely without lagging badly going up hills. The other scooter I had barely make it up hills with me on it.
Here is the spec link: http://www.cobrasales.com/303r.htm
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The 4.9 HP is possible with the two stroke. My Benelli is rated the same. BUT real world, it can top out at 42 MPH (GPS) with just me on it. NO chance of 49 MPH with two up. But as you stated, your speedo is probably way off. Top speed on these things it MAYBE 45 MPH with a very small person and no cargo. I like the fact that they seem to use the same frame for the 50cc and 150cc. That alone should make it an excellent candidate for a big bore kit.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #18 on Aug 13, 2009, 3:23pm » | |
My ADLY/Lambretta once hit 47 mph with me (175lbs) on it on a very long straight level road. It's a 2 stroke minarelli clone engine. With me and my son we can hit 42 mph on a straight road (provided it's long enough) and we combined weigh 280lbs. We routinely cruise at 40 mph with the two of us on there. Alone, I have to slow down or I'm going over 40 before I realize it. I don't have a GPS, but I've twice ridden by a police radar station (one of those unmanned things) and the radar matched my speedo (at 25 mph - it was a hospital zone), and my wife in our car verified me at 40mph....so I'm pretty confident the speedo is very accurate.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #19 on Aug 13, 2009, 4:09pm » | |
I weigh as much alone as you guys 2UP! I'm 280lbs and my Triton could go somewhere around 50MPH with me on it stock (no restrictors). That took a long straight and tucking down though. It would cruise at 40MPH depending on conditions. I took a friend out on it the first day I had it (the only time I ever drove it 2UP for any distance) and I could hit 40MPH on long straights with 420lbs worth of riders. Tritons do have a little better gearing than most scoots stock though. I go through radar traps on a regular basis and I've been clocked by cars numerous times. I'm pretty sure these numbers are accurate.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #20 on Aug 13, 2009, 4:23pm » | |
I must confess, I didn't tuck when I hit 47...I was straight up. I wonder if I would have hit 50 if I tucked? I tend to only tuck on really windy days when going up hills and it does make a difference.
These Tritons sound like one solid scoot. Who makes them?
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #21 on Aug 13, 2009, 5:16pm » | |
Vento makes the Triton. (See my signature ) lol
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Um, I guess I should have been able to figure that out (LOL), but what factory makes Vento?
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #23 on Aug 13, 2009, 8:28pm » | |
Allegedly they were assembled in the US. I forget all the details. I knew when I bought the first one, after that I just knew they were good scooters with parts support and that's all that matters to me. I know that I've seen other scooters use parts stamped "VENTO" so they may be the manufacturer.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #24 on Aug 13, 2009, 8:54pm » | |
I didn't had a chance to record speeds today with the camcorder, need to figure how I can mount it on my helmet or something. When I was driving home today, the gps thing struck me. I went looking for free apps on work phone and found 2. I tried one during my drive home with my car and it was about 5mph lower than my speedo. I tested on scooter and place it in my basket in from of me while driving and looking at it and comparing it with my speedo as well. It was also 5mph under as well. I didn't reach 50 mph today since I didn't go on a long enough stretch but got around 45 on the speedo vs the phone 40. I am thinking that when I rode 2 up that maybe it was a hill but it took a long time to reached it.
I forgot to mention the only mod I have on my scooter so far is the drilled hole that was there before I got the scooter. There was 6 of them and so I went to use bolts to plug them up. I then pull one off at each time I drove until I felt with the buttodyno that it felt I was pulling better. I ended up plugging 2 holes on it.
I am waiting for the aprilia exhaust to come in and I hope this fits. The stock exhaust has an extra pipe that has a rubber hose connected to it. I don't know where it goes but according to the diagram it connects air assembly. I am thinking I am loosing ssome back pressure with this before going to the exhaust canister. I saw on ebay that there was an tgb r50x stock exhaust from UK and it had the same pipe. It look like it was bent and nubbed off.
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #25 on Aug 14, 2009, 2:47pm » | |
Vento doesn't make anything, they used the QJ factory in China to make their scooters. They are actually the same thing as our Strada scooters which are made identical to the Triton. The RX8 Strada is the same machine. You can see it here http://www.scootersus.com/stradaRX8.html
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2009 Baccio DLX is also similar to the Vento at only 1299.00
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #27 on Aug 23, 2009, 7:42pm » | |
I did the upgrades from Provoscooter and i never clocked how fast but i think it is going somewhere between 60-70mph and i'm 200 pounds. I don't know if it want to go 80mph on a scooter. I only did the upgrades so the it picks up fast between 0-30mph so i can ride in traffic
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #28 on Aug 24, 2009, 7:58am » | |
get it on video or it never happened...
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|  | Re: 80mph possible with a 70cc kit? « Reply #29 on Aug 27, 2009, 9:43am » | |
Been doing runs with my iphone in my basket and it seems that the phone is pretty accurate. According to the phone I reach the highest would be 45 mph alone. The speedo is off by 5 mph which sucks. My right mirror broke off since it was glued on by the previous owner. My second hand scooter experience sucks since things seem to keep falling apart. I guess its been wrecked pretty bad. 
Still trying to figure my exhaust problem and how to video cam with my flip while I am riding. I don't want to be holding it while I am driving.
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