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Post by leo on Sept 13, 2011 9:45:10 GMT -5
crap.
i believe my starter bendix has malfunctioned.
in other words my bike won't start.
the solenoid clicks and the starter spins but the engine will not turn over.
man, i just had this thing apart checking out the stator.
does anyone know what kind of job i'm looking at?
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 13, 2011 11:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by leo on Sept 13, 2011 17:54:15 GMT -5
mine is inside the engine not the CVT.
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Post by leo on Sept 13, 2011 18:41:21 GMT -5
well, it looks like i will have to remove the right engine cover and flywheel.
the starter clutch is bolted to the starter driven gear behind the flywheel.
i wonder what could make it go bad?
won't know until i get into it.
i've been hearing a high pitched sound lately, especially at high RPMs.
as soon as i closed the throttle the sound would go away so i assume it was intake noise.
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Post by edfr on Sept 13, 2011 19:29:05 GMT -5
Are you sure it is not a bad Starter? Just asking before you tear it all apart to get at the Starter Clutch. To get the Starter Clutch off you need a special tool and remember the Nut is Reverse Thread=Righty Loosey Lefty Tighty. I would first take the Starter off and connect it hit it with 12v to see if it is working correctly. Lefty  |
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 13, 2011 20:23:42 GMT -5
mine is inside the engine not the CVT. I should have looked above where it clearly reads 250cc and up |
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Post by leo on Sept 13, 2011 22:37:00 GMT -5
Are you sure it is not a bad Starter? Just asking before you tear it all apart to get at the Starter Clutch. i can hear it spinning. something is anyway. yeah, i plan on checking the starter, but i'm almost positive i'll have to break this thing apart AGAIN. and it was running so good too. once more into the breech eh? hopefully i can get this at the local honda shop. i'm planning to get a variator holder too. this job will be made easier now that i've downloaded a couple of honda manuals. i might even go hog wild, bring my scoot back into my apartment and sink 2 or 3 hundred into it for next summers ride. she's been a really fine ride. i'll probably get another 6000 miles out of her. |
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Post by catrell92 on Sept 14, 2011 22:26:11 GMT -5
Wait! Dont jump so fast, my old starter was doing the same thing, so i just had the mentality to just replace it and eliminate the problem, u can actually hear stronger torque with the new one i got, but out of the blue i go that same turning of the starter but not the engine, my starter clutch even looked good, i think qthese engines need a shim on the starter because when you are reinstalling and push it all the way in it makes the mounting holes for the starter not line up properly, pull it out a little and the bolt holes ine up ehhh, Also i would replace te brake switches first, escpecially if it isnt making the little click noise when u squeeze your brakes
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Post by leo on Sept 15, 2011 9:48:27 GMT -5
Wait! Dont jump so fast, my old starter was doing the same thing, so i just had the mentality to just replace it and eliminate the problem, hmmm . . . the starter works, i am pretty sure of that. i hate the thought of buying a starter and it won't fix the problem. well, maybe a washer or two between the starter and the motor? i might try that. |
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Post by leo on Sept 15, 2011 13:05:48 GMT -5
okay, got the starter out and the first thing i did was to reach into the hole it goes into and tried to spin the gear inside the engine.
it freewheels both ways like it doesn't have anything connected to it.
i don't know. anyway i will know soon cause i have the ol' hulk back in my apartment.
i think this might have something to do with the rewiring job i did.
the start button i used did not have any means of mounting it and i used some innertube material to insulate it.
anyway i've got work to do.
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Post by leo on Sept 15, 2011 15:46:52 GMT -5
well, i got the stator cover off.
good news and bad news.
good news, the cover gasket it still usable.
bad news, the starter driven gear turns equally well in both directions.
in other words the bendix is shot.
now, the big question is how do i get to it?
the magnetic flywheel is in the way and i can't see how to remove it.
the nut does not appear to hold it on, instead there are 3 allen head bolts that appear to hold it to the bendix.
another question is what about the timing?
the pickup is on the flywheel and there doesn't seem to be any way of "getting it right" unless there is a key on the shaft.
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Post by edfr on Sept 15, 2011 16:16:44 GMT -5
Why are you concerned about the timeing? If you do not take the Chain OFF the cam it will not get out of timeing. You can pull the Flywheel and Stator off and get at your Starter Clutch
and the Gear that the starter engages that turns the Starter Clutch.
To take the Flywheel off you need a Flywheel Puller also you need a Starter Clutch Special Socket that fits in the cut outs of the Nut to unscrew it and put it back on.
Lefty
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Post by leo on Sept 15, 2011 16:17:20 GMT -5
well, i don't know what to think.
removed the 3 allen head screws and guess what?
the bendix started working.
turns freely in one direction and locks in the other.
hmmm . . . .
put the screws back in and it still works.
well, more chinese head scratching.
anybody have any ideas about what is going on here?
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Post by edfr on Sept 15, 2011 16:23:55 GMT -5
It could have just been stuck inside. there are springs inside sort of like the clutch pads.
Lefty
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Post by leo on Sept 17, 2011 23:54:42 GMT -5
i've tried to start it 4 times since my last post.
the first time was right after i got it all back together.
started right up.
second time it just spun.
third time it fired up.
fourth time it fired up.
i'm going to look for a bendix just in case.
i'll let the scoot sit overnight an check for leaks in the morning.
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Post by leo on Sept 18, 2011 0:04:39 GMT -5
one other thing i want to mention. actually 2.
when putting the stator cover back on, align the water pump drive to either horizontal or vertical and turn the pump shaft for the same orientation.
this will help in getting the cover back on without cussing too much.
also make sure the spring in the end of the crankshaft engages the oil drive pin.
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Post by leo on Sept 24, 2011 13:27:03 GMT -5
it's been starting every time i've tried to start it.
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Post by edfr on Sept 24, 2011 13:44:30 GMT -5
FANTASTIC LEO!!,
Those Starter Clutchs sometimes do get stuck inside. So when you loosened up the 3 Bolts holding the springs it let them reset inside.
GOOD JOB and also learned a lot.
Lefty
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